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    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely to be hurt.

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
  2. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    22 Jun '18 04:271 edit
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely ...[text shortened]...

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    Why no outrage? Do you expect outrage from people who--in the name of 'keeping families together'--support tossing immigrant babies in a cage alongside adult strangers and criminal thugs in a detention facility?
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    22 Jun '18 14:08
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely ...[text shortened]...

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    strawman, dumbass
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    22 Jun '18 14:12
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely ...[text shortened]...

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    Can you somehow link these foster children to Trump?

    That is your only hope of outrage in the DNC controlled media.
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    22 Jun '18 14:35
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely ...[text shortened]...

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    It's unfortunate that this has to be linked to the immigration fiasco because you're absolutely right that this deserves a thread in its own right.

    I've seen may cases where CPS has gotten involved in things that should not be their business and comparable cases in which parents (usually fathers) have been denied reasonable visitation on phantom grounds.

    Unfortunately, the default in many cases for CPA and even courts has become CYA and "better safe than sorry." But I don't consider denying a parent his or her natural right to raise his or her children to be "safe."

    Denying a parent access to his or her children in all cases but where there is a clear and present threat is an outrageous violation of the parents' natural rights.
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    22 Jun '18 14:58
    Originally posted by @sh76
    It's unfortunate that this has to be linked to the immigration fiasco because you're absolutely right that this deserves a thread in its own right.

    I've seen may cases where CPS has gotten involved in things that should not be their business and comparable cases in which parents (usually fathers) have been denied reasonable visitation on phantom grounds.
    ...[text shortened]... e there is a clear and present threat is an outrageous violation of the parents' natural rights.
    Dims hate children. I call it the Dim war on children

    They try to kill them in the womb, then if they survive that they are sent to a public school system who rank only 48th in the world in math and science, and a school system that is rife with gang violence from MS 13 who flow freely across the border and mass shootings from children who are prohibited from talking about such things as God and morality. All of these things continue to happen without any policy changes. They are also told that gay sex is OK, but fail to tell them that the gay male population accounts for less than 10% of the population, but in the US accounts for over 60% of newly diagnosed AIDS and STD cases, so here are some rubbers and go experiment. Drugs are also allowed to flow freely across the border as children die by the hundreds every day. And if they survive all that, they reach adulthood with a government that is $20 trillion plus in debt and exploding exponentially.
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    22 Jun '18 16:191 edit
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely to be hurt.

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    Can you give an example of CPS taking away a child who wasn't harmed or endangered by the parents?

    Hypothetically, IF—and until you provide a source, that's a pretty big "if"—there's "no outrage" against CPS for "hurting children", it's possibly due to the fact that there's nowhere near 2,000 children per month being snatched, nor are they being kept in cages, unlike what Trump's doing.
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    22 Jun '18 17:372 edits
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Can you give an example of CPS taking away a child who wasn't harmed or endangered by the parents?

    Hypothetically, IF—and until you provide a source, that's a pretty big "if"—there's "no outrage" against CPS for "hurting children", it's possibly due to the fact that there's nowhere near 2,000 children per month being snatched, nor are they being kept in cages, unlike what Trump's doing.
    This happened 20 years ago, but it was always a case that drove me crazy.

    https://www.nytimes.com/1997/05/14/nyregion/toddler-left-outside-restaurant-is-returned-to-her-mother.html

    Anecdotal though they may be, I've seen 2 recent cases in my neighborhood where CPS made a frightful nuisance of itself. They didn't actually take children away, but they threatened and frightened the parents something awful. In one case, a child playing outside got clipped by a mail truck. It's unfortunate that the kid got hurt, but blaming the parents for letting a 7 year old play outside on a nice summer day is insane. The other involved a busybody neighbor who didn't like the noise some kids were making and so called the police. CPS gave the mother weeks of anguish for leaving her children alone when, in fact, the oldest of the children was 15(!) and was a perfectly responsible baby-sitter.

    Not sure how to find data, but my impression is that this happens far too often and for far insufficient reasons.
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    23 Jun '18 00:371 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Can you give an example of CPS taking away a child who wasn't harmed or endangered by the parents?

    Hypothetically, IF—and until you provide a source, that's a pretty big "if"—there's "no outrage" against CPS for "hurting children", it's possibly due to the fact that there's nowhere near 2,000 children per month being snatched, nor are they being kept in cages, unlike what Trump's doing.
    I know a woman who had her kids taken away from her because she let them play outside with other kids. Because she was not outside watching them CPS took her kids away and put them in a foster home where they were sexually abused.
    Isn't that worse than temporary separation at the border?

    Edit: Here is a known case where CPS abused their power.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/has-child-protective-services-gone-too-far/
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    https://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/522/871/370/
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    24 Jun '18 13:35
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    I know a woman who had her kids taken away from her because she let them play outside with other kids. Because she was not outside watching them CPS took her kids away and put them in a foster home where they were sexually abused.
    Isn't that worse than temporary separation at the border?

    Edit: Here is a known case where CPS abused their power.

    https://www.thenation.com/article/has-child-protective-services-gone-too-far/
    The most outrageous thing about the way many CPS agents seem to act is that they ignore the natural rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit. Obviously, there are extreme cases where children must be removed from an abusive home, but those are few and far between.
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    24 Jun '18 14:381 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    The most outrageous thing about the way many CPS agents seem to act is that they ignore the natural rights of parents to raise their children as they see fit. Obviously, there are extreme cases where children must be removed from an abusive home, but those are few and far between.
    That is true. I also think that certain CPS investigators take offense to criticism from a parent for such harsh judgement from that investigator. That investigator may then want to punish the parent(s) by threatening to take away the children and even following through with it with disregard for how it hurts the children.

    Sometimes when a person is determined to hurt the parent for insubordination they convince (more like fool) themselves the child is better off in a foster home. I wonder if they are taught that children put in foster homes are more likely to be sexually abused. Even Dr. Phil says foster homes are a mess. It isn't a secret. He knows they are more likely to be sexually abused and people that are sexually abused are more likely to use drugs, end up in jail and sexually abuse others later in life. As the old saying goes, an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

    Because this is not a political issue at the moment it is being ignored despite the suffering of the children. CPS agents should be required to wear body cams just like the police. The children are worth it.
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    24 Jun '18 17:20
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    Separating children from their parents hurts children. That is what we have been told even if the separation is just temporary.
    When CPS takes the kids away and puts them in foster care they are 4 times more likely to be sexually abused. Not all of these kids were hurt by their parents, yet the kids are put into foster homes where they are more likely ...[text shortened]...

    Is CPS hurting the children more than they are helping in many cases? If so, why no outrage?
    What planet are you one anyway? No outrage? You hear of the go fund me group asking to raise 1500 bucks to help those kids and now a half million have given real money there and now they have not 1500 bucks but 20 MILLION.

    Sounds to me like outrage speaking.

    To say nothing of the protests going on around the country and the protests even by the Republican party, causing Trumpf to cave in and reverse the order he caused.
    And of course blamed on Democrats.

    Now there are 3000 kids held in dog cages. 8 month old breast feeding babies yanked from mothers arms by force.

    Yeah right, no outrage.

    Do you watch anything besides Faux News?
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    24 Jun '18 20:17
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    What planet are you one anyway? No outrage? You hear of the go fund me group asking to raise 1500 bucks to help those kids and now a half million have given real money there and now they have not 1500 bucks but 20 MILLION.

    Sounds to me like outrage speaking.

    To say nothing of the protests going on around the country and the protests even by the Repub ...[text shortened]... m mothers arms by force.

    Yeah right, no outrage.

    Do you watch anything besides Faux News?
    You didn't read the OP very carefully. Go back and re-read it.
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    24 Jun '18 20:46
    Originally posted by @sh76 to MetalBrain
    It's unfortunate that this has to be linked to the immigration fiasco because you're absolutely right that this deserves a thread in its own right.

    I've seen may cases where CPS has gotten involved in things that should not be their business and comparable cases in which parents (usually fathers) have been denied reasonable visitation on phant ...[text shortened]... e there is a clear and present threat is an outrageous violation of the parents' natural rights.
    I would note that cultural differences, ignorance, or bias may lead predominantly ethnocentric
    white American CPS people to jump to the unfair conclusion that caring parents are
    neglectful or abusive toward their children in non-white, non-Western immigrant families.
    Middle-class white American norms of child-rearing are not universal or necessarily ideal.
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