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  1. Standard member Thequ1ck
    Fast above
    21 Apr '11 11:47
    Caste comes from the Latin castus, meaning pure, and the dervative Portuguese and Spanish casta, meaning race. The term originates from the Indian caste system, where a person of 'lesser' or half-caste would be deemed to be of a 'lower class'.
  2. 21 Apr '11 11:50 / 1 edit
    Who cares?

    It's not racist to say X or Y. Racism is an unfounded belief that some race is superior over some other race in some respects, if there is no empirical evidence.
  3. Standard member Thequ1ck
    Fast above
    21 Apr '11 11:54
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who cares?

    It's not racist to say X or Y. Racism is an unfounded belief that some race is superior over some other race in some respects, if there is no empirical evidence.
    So you're saying that the etymology of a word is less important than the context in which it is given?
  4. 21 Apr '11 11:56
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    So you're saying that the etymology of a word is less important than the context in which it is given?
    Indeed.
  5. Standard member Thequ1ck
    Fast above
    21 Apr '11 12:05 / 2 edits
    What about the term 'mixed-race'? Doesn't that imply that race is an hereditary construct?
  6. 21 Apr '11 13:16
    Originally posted by Thequ1ck
    What about the term 'mixed-race'? Doesn't that imply that race is an hereditary construct?
    No, race is a social construct.
  7. 21 Apr '11 13:28
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    No, race is a social construct.
    A social construct?
    Wow you have been brainwashed is there any original thought left in you at all?
  8. 21 Apr '11 14:12
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    A social construct?
    Wow you have been brainwashed is there any original thought left in you at all?
    What race is Obama?
  9. 21 Apr '11 14:46
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What race is Obama?
    Don't get cute with the questions Socrates.
    To see something with your own eyes and believe the opposite because you are told to think so is an Orwellian type of doublethink I didn't believe possible until you came along.
  10. 21 Apr '11 14:53
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Don't get cute with the questions Socrates.
    To see something with your own eyes and believe the opposite because you are told to think so is an Orwellian type of doublethink I didn't believe possible until you came along.
    Eh? "Believe the opposite"? The opposite of what?
  11. 21 Apr '11 15:31
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Eh? "Believe the opposite"? The opposite of what?
    What YOU brought up to begin with, that race is an artificial "social construct".
    Nobody with eyes could possibly believe that.
    You're just being disingenuous as usual, asking questions you already know the answers to.
  12. 21 Apr '11 15:52
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    What YOU brought up to begin with, that race is an artificial "social construct".
    Nobody with eyes could possibly believe that.
    You're just being disingenuous as usual, asking questions you already know the answers to.
    So what race is Obama?
  13. 21 Apr '11 16:20
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Who cares?

    It's not racist to say X or Y. Racism is an unfounded belief that some race is superior over some other race in some respects, if there is no empirical evidence.
    "Racism is an unfounded belief that some race is superior over some other race in some respects, if there is no empirical evidence."

    Not untrue, but probably an inadequate definition. Whether there is superiority or not, or whether it can be proved or not is not the point. For example, when white Europeans colonized or invaded North America, and for that matter South America they were culturally more advanced than the indigenous tribes. They were "racist" in their conclusion that superiority permitted them to abuse those inferior to them. Ditto for slavery.

    Racism is more the attitude that might is right. Superiority or inferiority may be true or not for an era. It doesn't justify the conclusions of the "racist".

    The hatred over milleniums based on presumptions of cultural superiority between Asians (Japanese, Korean, and Chinese) offer examples. The conduct of the Aztecs and Mayans toward other indigenous tribes another example.

    Racism is demonstrated today not by the use of forbidden words, but by how people think, what their actions are based on. If the first thing that enters a person's mind in a conflict situation is race, then I think that person is racist.

    The same act may or may not be racist, depending on the thoughts and motives of those involved.
  14. 21 Apr '11 16:24
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What race is Obama?
    Human
  15. 21 Apr '11 16:28
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Human
    Research reveals that some republicans are prone to answer "Muslim" when faced with the same question.