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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    29 Sep '10 23:15
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/29/5202257-whitman-camp-addresses-former-housekeepers-allegations


    Whether she treated her housekeeper well or not, does employing an illegal immigrant in your house (considering her one of your "extended family" according to Whitman) for 10 years = political suicide?

    And do any rich people employ Americans as housekeepers?
  2. 30 Sep '10 04:30
    brown's headed up

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/governor/ca/california_governor_whitman_vs_brown-1113.html
  3. 30 Sep '10 10:19
    The Democrats are the ones who keep telling us that illegals only want a better life for themselves and their families, and then ask who the hell WE are to deny them that opportunity. NOW, all of a sudden, it's wrong to employ one?

    Arizona actually tries to enforce immigration laws, and Obama is suing them.
  4. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    30 Sep '10 10:31
    Originally posted by TheBloop
    The Democrats are the ones who keep telling us that illegals only want a better life for themselves and their families, and then ask who the hell WE are to deny them that opportunity. NOW, all of a sudden, it's wrong to employ one?

    Arizona actually tries to enforce immigration laws, and Obama is suing them.
    Being a paid house-servant with all the patronising emotional security that being 'one of the family' brings is part of a better life? Do her kids get to step up and taste a bit of that American Pie?
  5. 01 Oct '10 03:16
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Being a paid house-servant with all the patronising emotional security that being 'one of the family' brings is part of a better life? Do her kids get to step up and taste a bit of that American Pie?
    Making $23 is a hour is a way for her kids to taste a bit of the american pie.
  6. 01 Oct '10 03:22
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/29/5202257-whitman-camp-addresses-former-housekeepers-allegations


    Whether she treated her housekeeper well or not, does employing an illegal immigrant in your house (considering her one of your "extended family" according to Whitman) for 10 years = political suicide?

    And do any rich people employ Americans as housekeepers?
    Get with the times man. With Charley Rangel in office you now need at least 20 ethical violations for them to even sneeze at ya.
  7. 01 Oct '10 08:25
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Being a paid house-servant with all the patronising emotional security that being 'one of the family' brings is part of a better life? Do her kids get to step up and taste a bit of that American Pie?
    That's the American Dream... according to the left.
  8. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    01 Oct '10 09:17
    Originally posted by TheBloop
    That's the American Dream... according to the left.
    so in the end it manages to look like just another hollywood sitcom.

    move along people.....nothing to see.....
  9. 01 Oct '10 14:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/09/29/5202257-whitman-camp-addresses-former-housekeepers-allegations


    Whether she treated her housekeeper well or not, does employing an illegal immigrant in your house (considering her one of your "extended family" according to Whitman) for 10 years = political suicide?

    And do any rich people employ Americans as housekeepers?
    the main problem for Whitman, as it is for pretty much everyone, is that the attempt to cover-up your misdeed will get you into much worse trouble than the misdeed itself.

    but I fear that we've reached the point where its become so common for people in politics (or sports) to behave badly that no one really cares anymore about any of their misdeeds. The lack of anything in your closet might actually be a liability now.
  10. 01 Oct '10 18:07
    according to Whitman, she fired the housekeeper when she found out she was illegal.

    so what was she supposed to do? hold a press conference THEN?
  11. 01 Oct '10 18:07
    Whitman says the housekeeper gave her fake documentation and when the govt indicated there was a problem with it Whitman fired her.
  12. 01 Oct '10 18:09
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meg_Whitman#Illegal_immigration

    In September 2010 it was revealed that Meg Whitman had employed an illegal alien, Nicky Diaz Santillan, as her housekeeper from 2000-2009. Whitman's campaign provided documents that Santillan had provided her, a copy of a Social Security card and California driver's license that they said Santillan had provided. They also stated that they had relied on the employement agency that provided Santillan to verify she was a legal resident. Whitman stated, "As soon as we found that she was an illegal immigrant, we did what we had to do as an employer, which was to let her go, But all of the documentation that we had said that she was legal."[57] Santillan claims that her undocumented status was well-known by Whitman and has produced a letter she claims is evidence to this effect. Whitman's Husband admits that it is "possible" the letter is genuine, but he claims it does not prove that the Whitmans knew about her undocumented status.[58] Gloria Allred, a Jerry Brown supporter [59], said that Santillan was fired for political reasons and that Whitmann was aware of a Social Security number mismatch regarding Santillan since 2002. Allred is suing on behalf of Ms. Diaz for back pay and mileage. Whitman's campaign maintains that this is a political attack to smear Whitman.[60][61]
  13. 01 Oct '10 18:09
    i expect the Democrats in Calif who support illegal immigration will be lining up behind Whitman to support her with their votes, since she hired one.
  14. 01 Oct '10 19:51 / 3 edits
    it seems like issues involving nannies or housekeepers frequently create problems for candidates - anyone who wants to go into politics should just do their own housekeeping and child-rearing (or get their spouse to do it).
  15. 01 Oct '10 22:19
    Someone wanna tell he how she's supposed to question the housekeeper as to her legal status without being guilty of racial profiling?

    I mean, Obama is suing AZ because some cops, in the process of writing a traffic ticket, might ask some Latino looking person if they're here legally.

    So how does Whitman ask the housekeeper if she's legal?