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  1. 27 Oct '11 01:43
    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/26/michael-moore-denies-hes-part

    When asked if the Fed Reserve was the problem Moore said "no, capitalism is the problem". Hasn't he taken advantage of capitalism and proven he is a huge hypocrite?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    27 Oct '11 02:20
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/26/michael-moore-denies-hes-part

    When asked if the Fed Reserve was the problem Moore said "no, capitalism is the problem". Hasn't he taken advantage of capitalism and proven he is a huge hypocrite?
    I don't think that makes him a hypocrite. If he can make the money, there's no reason he shouldn't. You can take advantage of the system as it is and advocate that the system be changed.
  3. Subscriber invigorateonline
    Only 1 F in Uckfield
    27 Oct '11 08:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/26/michael-moore-denies-hes-part

    When asked if the Fed Reserve was the problem Moore said "no, capitalism is the problem". Hasn't he taken advantage of capitalism and proven he is a huge hypocrite?
    No he is not a hypocrite at all. He is merely saying the difference between the rich an door is unsustainable and the rich should pay more in tax to make society more just. The current system does not work for all members of society.

    Warren Buffet has said the same thing.

    Michael Moore is good at weaving a polemic argument, he is benefiting from OWS both financially with a future film no doubt, and winning plenty of airtime but he does articulate the voices of those least able to access the media very well.
  4. 27 Oct '11 13:58
    Originally posted by sh76
    I don't think that makes him a hypocrite. If he can make the money, there's no reason he shouldn't. You can take advantage of the system as it is and advocate that the system be changed.
    But he denies being in the top 1%

    Lying doesn't exactly help his cause, so why do you suppose he lied?
  5. 27 Oct '11 16:14
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    But he denies being in the top 1%

    Lying doesn't exactly help his cause, so why do you suppose he lied?
    Is Michael Moore's income public? How do you know he's in the top 1%? (of course, he's pretty high up there, though not necessarily in the top percent)
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Oct '11 16:18
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is Michael Moore's income public? How do you know he's in the top 1%? (of course, he's pretty high up there, though not necessarily in the top percent)
    I'd imagine he's more like top 5% rather than 1%.
  7. Subscriber WoodPush
    Pusher of wood
    27 Oct '11 16:23
    What is the cutoff line for the 1%? I tried looking around online and haven't found anything.

    It seems sort of silly to debate about whether he's in the top 1% without even knowing what the qualification is.
  8. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Oct '11 16:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by WoodPush
    It seems sort of silly to debate about whether he's in the top 1% without even knowing what the qualification is.
    I'm not sure Metal Brain calling Moore a "liar" and a "hypocrite" actually constitutes much in the way of a 'debate'.
  9. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    27 Oct '11 16:34
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is Michael Moore's income public? How do you know he's in the top 1%? (of course, he's pretty high up there, though not necessarily in the top percent)
    It seems doubtful that there are millions of people in the US who make more than Moore.

    But you never know, I guess.
  10. 27 Oct '11 16:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is Michael Moore's income public? How do you know he's in the top 1%? (of course, he's pretty high up there, though not necessarily in the top percent)
    Based on 2009 tax year filing data, the Internal Revenue Service says an adjusted gross income, or AGI, of $343,927 or more will put you in the top 1 percent of taxpayers.

    Read more: Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? | Bankrate.com http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx#ixzz1c070og7k

    Moores net worth is $50,000,000

    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/directors/michael-moore-net-worth/
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    27 Oct '11 16:42
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    Based on 2009 tax year filing data, the Internal Revenue Service says an adjusted gross income, or AGI, of $343,927 or more will put you in the top 1 percent of taxpayers.

    Read more: Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? | Bankrate.com http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx#ixzz1c070og7k

    Moores net worth is $50,000,000
    Well, well. I wouldn't have thought $343,927 would put someone in the top 1%o wealthy people in the U.K. let alone the U.S. I wonder if that figure includes stocks and land and other wealth/assets.
  12. Subscriber WoodPush
    Pusher of wood
    27 Oct '11 16:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FMF
    I wonder if that figure includes stocks and land and other wealth/assets.
    Well, it's AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) so mostly no. You only generally only pay taxes on land, stocks and other property if you sell it for a profit, and then, only on the profit. So the AGI would include any profits they got from trading property, but wouldn't include the base value of the property itself.
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    27 Oct '11 18:47
    Originally posted by utherpendragon
    [b]Based on 2009 tax year filing data, the Internal Revenue Service says an adjusted gross income, or AGI, of $343,927 or more will put you in the top 1 percent of taxpayers.

    Read more: Top 1 Percent: How Much Do They Earn? | Bankrate.com http://www.bankrate.com/finance/taxes/top-1-percent-earn.aspx#ixzz1c070og7k

    Moores net worth is $50,0 ...[text shortened]... 0

    http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/directors/michael-moore-net-worth/[/b]
    Well, that settles that.
  14. 27 Oct '11 19:30
    I wonder if he has sent additional money above and beyond his tax due. If he has not he is a hypocrite.
  15. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    27 Oct '11 19:49
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    http://spectator.org/blog/2011/10/26/michael-moore-denies-hes-part

    When asked if the Fed Reserve was the problem Moore said "no, capitalism is the problem". Hasn't he taken advantage of capitalism and proven he is a huge hypocrite?
    Surely you can still visit a zoo (the money goes to keep the animals healthy), but still be opposed to the concept (i.e. constistantly vote to get rid of them)?