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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    13 Jun '10 18:06
    Right now, other than among southern and midwestern American evangelicals, it seems to me that Christianity among white people is in a rapid, seemingly irreversible decline.

    Are we seeing the dawn of an age in which atheism takes over as the dominant white religion?

    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism only to follow in its atheistic footsteps a scant couple of decades later?








    Oh, and this aint' a "spirituality" question, spanky.
  2. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    13 Jun '10 18:14
    Originally posted by sh76
    Right now, other than among southern and midwestern American evangelicals, it seems to me that Christianity among white people is in a rapid, seemingly irreversible decline.

    Are we seeing the dawn of an age in which atheism takes over as the dominant white religion?

    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism onl ...[text shortened]... uple of decades later?








    Oh, and this aint' a "spirituality" question, spanky.
    The future of "White Christianity" should be Liberation Theology.
  3. 13 Jun '10 18:36 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism only to follow in its atheistic footsteps a scant couple of decades later?








    Oh, and this aint' a "spirituality" question, spanky.[/b]
    They don't just want their religion, they seem to want their health care and government as well.

    Perhaps they go hand in hand. After all, statism is a substitute of sorts for God as are other "isms".
  4. 13 Jun '10 18:57
    Originally posted by whodey
    They don't just want their religion, they seem to want their health care and government as well.

    Perhaps they go hand in hand. After all, statism is a substitute of sorts for God as are other "isms".
    And ignorance is a substitute for knowledge... (As long as you have one of those you are entitled to opinions.)
  5. 13 Jun '10 18:58
    Originally posted by sh76
    Are we seeing the dawn of an age in which atheism takes over as the dominant white religion?
    I hope so too.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Jun '10 19:12 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Please define "white". For example, many Mexicans are racially white.
  7. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    13 Jun '10 19:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    Right now, other than among southern and midwestern American evangelicals, it seems to me that Christianity among white people is in a rapid, seemingly irreversible decline.

    Are we seeing the dawn of an age in which atheism takes over as the dominant white religion?

    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism onl ...[text shortened]... uple of decades later?








    Oh, and this aint' a "spirituality" question, spanky.
    What's White Christianity?

    Oh, and atheism isn't a religion.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Jun '10 20:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76

    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism only to follow in its atheistic footsteps a scant couple of decades later?[/b]
    It is ironic, but healthy. Multiculturalism is the way forward, not uniculturalism. Melting pot, not ethnic purity. The Communist system was fatally flawed, but the Communists had much wisdom. The system was like the Bible; obvious truths artificially tied to a larger, dogmatic system which demanded you take the whole and not just the good bits.

    Really, the Communists felt the same as the Founding Fathers, but didn't understand it. The Right to Property depends on free access to resources aka the Means of Production.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Jun '10 20:13
    I will try to paraphrase the question:

    Will Protestantism remain a politically powerful bloc in the USA?

    Is that a good paraphrase?
  10. 13 Jun '10 20:19 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Right now, other than among southern and midwestern American evangelicals, it seems to me that Christianity among white people is in a rapid, seemingly irreversible decline.

    Are we seeing the dawn of an age in which atheism takes over as the dominant white religion?

    Is it ironic that, with God as a rallying cry, the American-led West toppled Communism only to follow in its atheistic footsteps a scant couple of decades later?
    As a consequence of the fact that capitalism evolved and the Enlightenment took place in the West, the majority of prosperous countries with the highest proportion of well-educated citizens happen to be populated by white people (one obvious exception: Japan. And to a lesser extent, South Korea). Because of a mixture of entrenched power structures and the fact that immigrants are often relatively poor people seeking a better life, whites are also disproportionately prosperous and well-educated within these countries.

    Wealthy and well-educated people are disproportionately likely to reject orthodox religious belief. Thus, the prevalence of religious belief is lower among whites than among other ethnicities. The fact that prosperous, well-educated Japan also has an extremely high level of atheism confirms the fact that this is an economic rather than a racial issue - it is also not about Christianity specifically, but about religious belief in general.

    While Christianity, both in front of and behind the Iron Curtain, did of course play a significant role in toppling Communism, the West opposed Communism not in defence of religion but in defence of freedom. The state-sponsored atheism of the Soviet bloc has nothing in common with atheism arrived at in the West by well-educated, thinking people through a process of free enquiry. And many Western liberals might claim that religious doctrine has replaced Marxist dogma as the primary force undermining individual freedom in the modern world.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Jun '10 20:31
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    As a consequence of the fact that capitalism evolved and the Enlightenment took place in the West, the majority of prosperous countries with the highest proportion of well-educated citizens happen to be populated by white people (one obvious exception: Japan. And to a lesser extent, South Korea). Because of a mixture of entrenched power structures and the ...[text shortened]... replaced Marxist dogma as the primary force undermining individual freedom in the modern world.
    ATYSOA
  12. Standard member avalanchethecat
    Not actually a cat
    13 Jun '10 20:34
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    As a consequence of the fact that capitalism evolved and the Enlightenment took place in the West, the majority of prosperous countries with the highest proportion of well-educated citizens happen to be populated by white people (one obvious exception: Japan. And to a lesser extent, South Korea). Because of a mixture of entrenched power structures and the ...[text shortened]... replaced Marxist dogma as the primary force undermining individual freedom in the modern world.
    Sounds about right.
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    14 Jun '10 00:12
    Originally posted by Palynka
    What's White Christianity?

    Oh, and atheism isn't a religion.
    You're just trying to be difficult, aren't you?
  14. Standard member spruce112358
    Democracy Advocate
    14 Jun '10 11:22
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    It is ironic, but healthy. Multiculturalism is the way forward, not uniculturalism. Melting pot, not ethnic purity. The Communist system was fatally flawed, but the Communists had much wisdom. The system was like the Bible; obvious truths artificially tied to a larger, dogmatic system which demanded you take the whole and not just the good bits.
    ...[text shortened]... and it. The Right to Property depends on free access to resources aka the Means of Production.
    ATY, that is one helluva melting pot you have if you can fit the Founding Fathers, Communism, and the Bible into the same stew.
  15. 14 Jun '10 12:16
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    The future of "White Christianity" should be Liberation Theology.
    What's that?