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  1. Standard membersh76
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    03 Jun '16 13:11
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9F7GeW0AIvRcq.jpg:large

    "Lies, damn lies and statistics," I know. But those charts do seem to check out from other sources.
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    03 Jun '16 13:17
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9F7GeW0AIvRcq.jpg:large

    "Lies, damn lies and statistics," I know. But those charts do seem to check out from other sources.
    without researching into how true they are i want to ask something else:

    how much of it is obama's fault?


    every time i check US news, i only hear how congress and senate block obama's every proposal on principle. i hear how obama goes further and further to the right.

    he doesn't get much done and what he does, it's mostly right wing. so i ask you, is obama really to blame for everything?
  3. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    03 Jun '16 13:18
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9F7GeW0AIvRcq.jpg:large

    "Lies, damn lies and statistics," I know. But those charts do seem to check out from other sources.
    Are you sure those aren't Venezuela's charts?
  4. Standard membervivify
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    03 Jun '16 13:37
    In what way is Obama responsible for black inequality, decrease in home ownership, the increase in student loans, and the median family income?
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    03 Jun '16 14:05
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    without researching into how true they are i want to ask something else:

    how much of it is obama's fault?


    every time i check US news, i only hear how congress and senate block obama's every proposal on principle. i hear how obama goes further and further to the right.

    he doesn't get much done and what he does, it's mostly right wing. so i ask you, is obama really to blame for everything?
    Perhaps Congress blocks Obama's ideas because charts, like the ones here, indicate that they lead to disastrous results. You assume that Obama would have better results if he were able to do everything he wants but history shows (for example the Clinton years) that much progress can be made when the president suggests ideas and Congress vigorously forces changes and allows only the good ideas to be implemented.
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    03 Jun '16 16:22
    Originally posted by vivify
    In what way is Obama responsible for black inequality, decrease in home ownership, the increase in student loans, and the median family income?
    Exactly!

    It's Bush's fault.
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    03 Jun '16 16:23
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Perhaps Congress blocks Obama's ideas because charts, like the ones here, indicate that they lead to disastrous results. You assume that Obama would have better results if he were able to do everything he wants but history shows (for example the Clinton years) that much progress can be made when the president suggests ideas and Congress vigorously forces changes and allows only the good ideas to be implemented.
    For the last time, any good results can be attributed to Obama and any bad results can be attributed to the GOP.

    Got it?
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    03 Jun '16 17:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    For the last time, any good results can be attributed to Obama and any bad results can be attributed to the GOP.

    Got it?
    Sometimes it seems like I am expected to believe that.
  9. Standard membervivify
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    03 Jun '16 17:361 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Exactly!

    It's Bush's fault.
    You see why no one takes your side seriously? This immature posturing is ubiquitous among conservatives, most infamously with Fox News.

    I asked a legitimate question. If you don't have an answer, acting like an ass doesn't help.
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    03 Jun '16 17:40
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Are you sure those aren't Venezuela's charts?
    No, Venequela's charts look better than that.
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    03 Jun '16 18:00
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Perhaps Congress blocks Obama's ideas because charts, like the ones here, indicate that they lead to disastrous results. You assume that Obama would have better results if he were able to do everything he wants but history shows (for example the Clinton years) that much progress can be made when the president suggests ideas and Congress vigorously forces changes and allows only the good ideas to be implemented.
    "Perhaps Congress blocks Obama's ideas because charts, like the ones here, indicate that they lead to disastrous results."
    so the charts should have been improving at some point, right?
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    03 Jun '16 18:16
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "Perhaps Congress blocks Obama's ideas because charts, like the ones here, indicate that they lead to disastrous results."
    so the charts should have been improving at some point, right?
    You were the one who claimed that if Congress did everything that Obama wanted, the numbers would be better. I simply pointed out that his numbers could just as easily been considerably worse. Furthermore, part of the job of a president is to convince other lawmakers that his policies are desirable. If indeed Obama's non implemented ideas are good ones (which I'd argue they aren't) it is still a failure of the president to not get support for his ideas.
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    03 Jun '16 18:33
    Originally posted by quackquack
    You were the one who claimed that if Congress did everything that Obama wanted, the numbers would be better. I simply pointed out that his numbers could just as easily been considerably worse. Furthermore, part of the job of a president is to convince other lawmakers that his policies are desirable. If indeed Obama's non implemented ideas are good ones ...[text shortened]... I'd argue they aren't) it is still a failure of the president to not get support for his ideas.
    The only reason Ted Cruz did as well as he did, and would have won without "the Donald" running against him, was because he was the only one who stood alone against Obama at times.

    Reading Green Eggs and Ham to the Dims in Congress to filibuster was classic.
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    03 Jun '16 18:44
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9F7GeW0AIvRcq.jpg:large

    "Lies, damn lies and statistics," I know. But those charts do seem to check out from other sources.
    It's not a representation of anything with those tiny y-axis labels.
  15. Subscriberno1marauder
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    03 Jun '16 19:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cj9F7GeW0AIvRcq.jpg:large

    "Lies, damn lies and statistics," I know. But those charts do seem to check out from other sources.
    Since the charts are impossible to read because they are deliberately designed to be, it is hard to say.
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