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  1. 14 Jan '15 12:05
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/muslim-leaders-to-hold-stand-with-the-prophet-rally-in-texas/

    Apparently Muslim leaders are holding a conference to help rectify the image of Mohammad. According to them, Mohammad's image has been an object of hate around the world and needs to be changed.

    So why is this so?
  2. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Jan '15 13:51
    The Saturday event, which seeks to combat “Islamophobes in America” who have turned the Islamic Prophet Muhammad “into an object of hate,” according to organizers, ...

    Organizers of the event place the blame for Islam’s bad reputation on the media and so-called American Islamophobes who have “invested at least $160 million dollars to attack our Prophet and Islam,” according to the conference web page.
    Even this less than sympathetic report gives an answer to your question which seems reasonable enough to me, as it is supported by a lot of evidence, easily accessed.
  3. 14 Jan '15 14:10 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by finnegan
    [quote]The Saturday event, which seeks to combat “Islamophobes in America” who have turned the Islamic Prophet Muhammad “into an object of hate,” according to organizers, ...

    Organizers of the event place the blame for Islam’s bad reputation on the media and so-called American Islamophobes who have “invested at least $160 million dollars to attack our Pr ...[text shortened]... n which seems reasonable enough to me, as it is supported by a lot of evidence, easily accessed.
    It is the actions of Islamic extremists that have created a negative image of Mohammed throughout the West. The U.S., unlike some European countries, has not even attempted to pass laws restricting what Muslims can wear. Indeed, they are free to practice any aspects of their faith and Sharia Law that do not impinge on the rights of others, such as honor killings. Their freedom of speech is not restricted. Currently there are issues over freedom of speech on many college campuses where speakers with extreme views are not being allowed to be heard. I disagree with this practice. These speakers will only create a more negative image of Islam if they try to place the blame for a negative image of Islam and Mohammed on non-Muslims rather than Islamic extremists.
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Jan '15 17:37
    Originally posted by Phranny
    It is the actions of Islamic extremists that have created a negative image of Mohammed throughout the West. The U.S., unlike some European countries, has not even attempted to pass laws restricting what Muslims can wear. Indeed, they are free to practice any aspects of their faith and Sharia Law that do not impinge on the rights of others, such as honor ki ...[text shortened]... blame for a negative image of Islam and Mohammed on non-Muslims rather than Islamic extremists.
    Except that the negative image can be demonstrated to date back for centuries, indeed back to the very first Arab campaigns against the Byzantine and Persian empires. Christians have never adopted positive images of alternative religions for heaven's sake. They even have vicious opinions about alternative Christian sects.

    The historical prototype for Islamic extremism may be the Kharijites of about the year 600, a sect which faded away but whose ideas are sometimes recycled. But modern fundamentalism probably could be attributed to the writing of Sayyid Qutb (1906–1966). In every case, the key point to notice is that most Muslims are condemned as non believers by these extremists and most Muslims think the extremists are crazy.

    You may feel that what matters more is where this generation gets its opinions about Islam, but sadly that simply arises because our generation can tap so easily into a ready made stream of misinformation and stereotypes. They are an essential ingredient of the Western imperialist project. The current imperial programme revolves around the state of Israel and the Western demand for oil.
  5. 14 Jan '15 19:44 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Phranny
    It is the actions of Islamic extremists that have created a negative image of Mohammed throughout the West. The U.S., unlike some European countries, has not even attempted to pass laws restricting what Muslims can wear. Indeed, they are free to practice any aspects of their faith and Sharia Law that do not impinge on the rights of others, such as honor ki ...[text shortened]... blame for a negative image of Islam and Mohammed on non-Muslims rather than Islamic extremists.
    Would you (Phranny) have been equally supportive of the right of pro-Nazi
    speakers to make extreme anti-Jewish comments at German universities in
    the 1930s *if* German Jews also had the right to speak freely in response?
    Would you also have argued that German Jews should have blamed only
    themselves for inciting more anti-Jewish sentiment if they had objected to
    any other Germans freely expressing their anti-Jewish comments?

    Muslims in the USA already have enough reasons to believe that they are
    being singled out for adverse discrimination and sometimes for persecution.