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  1. Zugzwang
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    15 Jun '18 01:39
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/14/israel-destroy-palestinian-village-khan-al-ahmar

    "Israel is about to destroy this Palestinian village. Will Britain step in?"
    --David Zonsheine (an Israeli Jew, who's board chairman of B’Tselem,
    the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights)

    "Israel is intent on destroying the homes of the 173 Palestinians who
    live in the small shepherding community of Khan al-Ahmar, along with
    the school that serves 150 children from the area. Last month, Israel’s
    high court of justice removed the last obstacle to this barbaric act of
    demolishing an entire community in order to forcibly transfer its residents
    and take over their land. Israel has announced that the land from which
    these Palestinians will be evicted will serve to expand the nearby [Jewish]
    settlement of Kfar Adumim.

    The story of Khan al-Ahmar exemplifies Israel’s policy of expelling dozens
    of Palestinian communities from areas it plans to formally annex.
    To keep international criticism to a minimum, Israel usually tries to evict
    residents slowly by creating unbearable living conditions that force them
    to leave their homes, allegedly of their own free will. To that end, the
    authorities refuse to connect these communities to running water and
    power grids, do not authorise construction of homes or other structures
    and restrict their pastureland.

    Now, emboldened by Donald Trump’s overt disdain for human rights –
    or basic human decency for that matter – and bolstered by the Israeli
    idea that the European Union is too weak to act decisively, the authorities
    have stepped up their efforts and issued demolition orders for all the
    structures in Khan al-Ahmar."

    "However, these [Palestinian] residents are not breaking the [Israeli] law deliberately.
    Israeli policy has prevented them from even applying for building permits.
    This has left them no choice but to build without permits and, as no
    community remains stagnant, they have had to continue developing and
    building that way. The same [Israeli] planning authorities that were so
    inefficient in drawing up a master plan for the community or connecting
    it to water, power and sewage services were incredibly effective when it
    came to issuing demolition orders. If the community cannot build legally,
    the court ruling that their construction is illegal is cynical, formalistic and
    manipulative.

    There is no way to sugar-coat it: our government intends to commit an
    act that could constitute a war crime. Our high court did not use its power
    to stop this, and instead chose to lend a guise of legality to this reprehensible act.
    By doing so, the court is now complicit in the liability for the decisions of
    the main culprits: the prime minister, the minister of defence and top generals.

    If Israel is allowed to carry through with the forcible transfer of this relatively
    well established community, it will be that much easier to do the same to
    dozens of smaller communities. Moreover, the demolition of Khan al-Ahmar
    will have significant repercussions for possible solutions to the Israeli-Palestinian
    conflict: clearing the area from Palestinians will effectively bisect the
    West Bank from north to south."

    Israel keeps creating more 'facts on the ground' that make the 'two state solution' impracticable.
    I expect the factually ignorant and morally blind Americans who fetishize
    'the two solution' to celebrate a future Bantustan ('standing room only'
    for Palestinians) as an extraordinarily generous concession by Israel
    and a glorious triumph for all Palestinians.
  2. Subscribersonhouse
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    15 Jun '18 14:03
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/14/israel-destroy-palestinian-village-khan-al-ahmar

    "Israel is about to destroy this Palestinian village. Will Britain step in?"
    --David Zonsheine (an Israeli Jew, who's board chairman of B’Tselem,
    the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights)

    "Israel is intent on destroying the homes of the ...[text shortened]... s an extraordinarily generous concession by Israel
    and a glorious triumph for all Palestinians.
    That situation could get even worse if the Palestinians decide to try to stop it with force. A terrible breach by Israel and of course Trump will turn a blind eye.
    It is nothing new, Israel has been forcibly removing Palestinians from their own land for decades but not to hundreds of people in one fell swoop,
  3. Zugzwang
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    16 Jun '18 00:121 edit
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    That situation could get even worse if the Palestinians decide to try to stop it with force.
    A terrible breach by Israel and of course Trump will turn a blind eye.
    It is nothing new, Israel has been forcibly removing Palestinians from their own land
    for decades but not to hundreds of people in one fell swoop,
    How could the Palestinians possibly "try to stop with it with force"?
    What could a few unarmed Palestinian peasants do against the might of the IDF?

    If any Palestinian child does as much as pick up one stone and throw it in a gesture of futile defiance,
    the US media will rush to label the Palestinians as the 'aggressors' and the Israelis as the victims of 'terrorism'.

    But when a Palestinian has one's land, one's home, and one's identity stolen by Israel,
    then what has one left to lose by fighting back, even knowing that it will be suicidal?

    "Of course Trump will turn a blind eye..."
    --Sonhouse

    Almost all American politicians turn their blind eyes toward Israel's countless abuses of the Palestinians.
    Any professed US official opposition to Jewish settlements seems no more than insincere token rhetoric.
    Most Americans have long been supporting Israel's 'ethnic cleansing' of the Palestinians.

    "Israel has been forcibly removing Palestinians from their own land for decades
    but not to hundreds of people in one fell swoop."
    --Sonhouse

    Notwithstanding your having Palestinian friends, Sonhouse, you still seem very ignorant.
    In fact, sometimes the Zionist massacred hundreds of Palestinians 'in one fell swoop".

    Here's a partial list of the many Palestinian villages depopulated by Israeli 'ethnic cleansing'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arab_towns_and_villages_depopulated_during_the_1948_Palestinian_exodus

    "Around 400 Arab towns and villages were depopulated during the 1948 Palestinian exodus.
    Some places were entirely destroyed and left uninhabitable;[1][2] others were left with
    a few hundred residents and were repopulated by Jewish immigrants, then renamed."

    The 21st century US government seems as happy to support Israel into driving the Palestinians into a
    caged Bantustan as the 19th century US government was happy to force the 'Indians' onto reservations.
    And most 21st century white Americans seem hardly any less racist toward the Palestinians
    than almost all 19th century white Americans were toward the 'Indians'.

    Sonhouse, if you care about your Palestinian friends, then you would speak out more on
    their behalf even if you are very afraid of the hostile reactions of most other Americans.
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    16 Jun '18 02:01
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/14/israel-destroy-palestinian-village-khan-al-ahmar

    "Israel is about to destroy this Palestinian village. Will Britain step in?"
    --David Zonsheine (an Israeli Jew, who's board chairman of B’Tselem,
    the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights)

    "Israel is intent on destroying the homes of the ...[text shortened]... s an extraordinarily generous concession by Israel
    and a glorious triumph for all Palestinians.
    child humping prophet
  5. Behind the scenes
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    16 Jun '18 05:231 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jun/14/israel-destroy-palestinian-village-khan-al-ahmar

    "Israel is about to destroy this Palestinian village. Will Britain step in?"
    --David Zonsheine (an Israeli Jew, who's board chairman of B’Tselem,
    the Israeli Information Centre for Human Rights)

    "Israel is intent on destroying the homes of the ...[text shortened]... s an extraordinarily generous concession by Israel
    and a glorious triumph for all Palestinians.
    Just one more reason to hasen Donald Trump's exit from the oval office.
  6. Zugzwang
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    16 Jun '18 05:391 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Just one more reason to hasen Donald Trump's exit from the oval office.
    President Hillary Clinton would not have moved the US Embassy to Jerusalem.
    But in most other ways she likely would have been as pro-Israeli as President Trump.
    I doubt that she would have attempted to help the Palestinians in this case.
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