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  1. Behind the scenes
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    06 Sep '18 19:282 edits
    I've followed politics since the Johnson administration in the 60's and have never seen anything like this before. Republican and Democratic Presidents of the past have all managed to maintain a functioning chain of command, a logical communication system with leaders of other countries, an orderly flow of legislation between the White House and Congress, and respect for the rule of law. All of these things have broken down under this President. Our State department has been stripped so bare, leaders of other countries don't know who to contact regarding diplomatic issues, high ranking Russian officials being invited into the oval office and given America's most valuable intelligence information free of charge, Generals in the President's staff ignoring or slow walking the President's own national security orders in order to prevent an international crisis or another major war, our intelligence and law enforcement officials are being attacked on a daily basis by a President who is basically clueless regarding the nuts and bolts of governing, junior staff members having to crawl around on the floor to pick up and tape together documents the President has ripped up and thrown there, and a President who seems hellbent on blaming everyone from the media, the deep state, the judiciary, the liberals and almost everyone else for his problems. Add to this and administration who's former members have pled guilty to multiple felonies, and a President that is under investigation for crimes in jurisdictions of the Federal Government, the Southern District of New York, and the State of New York, not to mention the enviable civil lawsuits to follow, and followers of this President who blame everything on a liberal political party that has been out of power for over a year and a half. All of this in less than 2 years in office.

    I can only imagine what the next 2 years will hold. 😳
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    06 Sep '18 19:35
    This Johnson>https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/lbj-voting-democratic/
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    06 Sep '18 20:14
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I've followed politics since the Johnson administration in the 60's and have never seen anything like this before. Republican and Democratic Presidents of the past have all managed to maintain a functioning chain of command, a logical communication system with leaders of other countries, an orderly flow of legislation between the White House and Congress, an ...[text shortened]... this in less than 2 years in office.

    I can only imagine what the next 2 years will hold. 😳
    Yup. Pretty much sums it up.

    And to those who say democracy is being compromised by the op-ed, well, this has already happened by the questionable campaign tactics.

    The whole world is being affected by what happens in US politics.
    Canadians, Europeans and other have no say in US elections.
    We are not shareholders with a vote.
    But we are stakeholders.

    To borrow a saying.....
    When America sneezes, the world catches cold.

    This clown is messing things up for 7.5 billion people.

    Your avatar is looking pretty good about now.
  4. Zugzwang
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    06 Sep '18 22:47
    https://www.usnews.com/opinion/articles/2017-12-21/donald-trump-is-the-most-successful-first-year-president-of-all-time

    "The Trump Presidency: A Success Story
    Trump has the opportunity to solidify his position as the most successful president ever in his first year."
    --Liz Mair (21 December 2017)
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    06 Sep '18 23:54
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I've followed politics since the Johnson administration in the 60's and have never seen anything like this before. Republican and Democratic Presidents of the past have all managed to maintain a functioning chain of command, a logical communication system with leaders of other countries, an orderly flow of legislation between the White House and Congress, an ...[text shortened]... this in less than 2 years in office.

    I can only imagine what the next 2 years will hold. 😳
    I guess obamas pen didn't mean anything...LOL IDIOT!
  6. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    07 Sep '18 01:30
    This seems like a series of gross exaggerations.

    This same barely functioning State Department has negotiated unprecedented deals with North Korea, and it appeaers that the North is staying true to these agreements.

    Moreover, we are finally on pretty good terms with the Russians for the first time in a very long time, and I have no idea what "state secrets" you may be referring to? Do you have something specific for us or just vague hyperbole?

    It's really melodramatic and I think that as time goes on you will feel bad about makign these statements.
  7. Subscribermoonbus
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    09 Sep '18 17:19
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Moreover, we are finally on pretty good terms with the Russians for the first time in a very long time, and I have no idea what "state secrets" you may be referring to? Do you have something specific for us or just vague hyperbole?

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/15/donald-trump-shared-classified-information-russia-white-house-report
  8. Subscribermoonbus
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    09 Sep '18 17:21
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I've followed politics since the Johnson administration in the 60's and have never seen anything like this before. Republican and Democratic Presidents of the past have all managed to maintain a functioning chain of command, a logical communication system with leaders of other countries, an orderly flow of legislation between the White House and Congress, an ...[text shortened]... this in less than 2 years in office.

    I can only imagine what the next 2 years will hold. 😳
    Donald Trump will go down in history as America's Caligula: emotionally immature, petulant, and incompetent as a world-class leader of a great nation.
  9. Subscribermoonbus
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    09 Sep '18 17:231 edit
    Originally posted by @mghrn55
    ... The whole world is being affected by what happens in US politics.
    Canadians, Europeans and other have no say in US elections.
    We are not shareholders with a vote.
    But we are stakeholders.

    To borrow a saying.....
    When America sneezes, the world catches cold.

    This clown is messing things up for 7.5 billion people.
    It will take a long time to mend all the fences he has Trumpled.
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    09 Sep '18 17:33
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    It will take a long time to mend all the fences he has Trumpled.
    Build the wall. Heck w/ a fence.
  11. Subscribermoonbus
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    09 Sep '18 19:031 edit
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    Build the wall. Heck w/ a fence.
    U.S. high school social studies exam 101:

    What words are inscribed on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty?

    a) Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    b) Give me your white, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant, heterosexual, male, gun-worshipping, Republican-voting dudes, yearning to make a fast buck. I open the barred and heavily-armed gate in the wall for you; screw the rest.
  12. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    09 Sep '18 21:16
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    U.S. high school social studies exam 101:

    What words are inscribed on a plaque inside the Statue of Liberty?

    a) Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

    b) Give me your white, Anglo-Sa ...[text shortened]... make a fast buck. I open the barred and heavily-armed gate in the wall for you; screw the rest.
    c) Give me your black, brown, gay, socialist, Muslim, gender-neutral, gun-hating, Democrat-voting people, yearning to keep progressives™ in power. I tore down the borders for you; screw the country.
  13. Standard memberDeepThought
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    10 Sep '18 00:03
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Moreover, we are finally on pretty good terms with the Russians for the first time in a very long time, and I have no idea what "state secrets" you may be referring to? Do you have something specific for us or just vague hyperbole?
    I can't be bothered to fact check myself here, but from memory it's worse than sharing US intelligence.
    The intelligence he shared was provided by the Israelis who were pretty pissed off about having their source burnt.
  14. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    10 Sep '18 00:26
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/may/15/donald-trump-shared-classified-information-russia-white-house-report
    We literally shared intelligence on a ISIS terrorists to help the very engaged Russian military engage terrorists.

    And here people are pretending this is a betrayal of the American people.

    That's absurd.
  15. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    10 Sep '18 00:27
    Originally posted by @deepthought
    I can't be bothered to fact check myself here, but from memory it's worse than sharing US intelligence.
    The intelligence he shared was provided by the Israelis who were pretty pissed off about having their source burnt.
    I'd love to hear your opinion on Pvt. Bradley Manning.
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