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  1. Zugzwang
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    19 Jun '19 20:51
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-evidence-un-report

    "‘Credible evidence’ Saudi crown prince liable for Khashoggi killing – UN report
    Mohammed bin Salman should be investigated over journalist’s murder, says report"

    "“It is the conclusion of the special rapporteur that Mr Khashoggi
    has been the victim of a deliberate, premeditated execution, an
    extrajudicial killing for which the state of Saudi Arabia is responsible
    under international human rights law."

    "There is credible evidence, warranting further investigation, of high-level
    Saudi officials’ individual liability, including the crown prince’s.
    • Khashoggi’s death was an extrajudicial killing. His attempted
    kidnapping would constitute a violation under international human
    rights law … and may constitute an act of torture under the terms of
    the convention against torture.
    • The investigations conducted by Saudi Arabia and Turkey failed to
    meet international standards regarding the investigation into unlawful deaths.
    • The Saudi investigation into the murder was not conducted in
    good faith, and might amount to obstructing justice."

    In the meantime, the USA continues to support Mohammed bin Salman
    and has eagerly sold more arms to fuel Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen.
  2. Subscribermoonbus
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    20 Jun '19 04:45
    @Duchess64

    Donald Trump continues to support the Sauds; there is, however, a clearer-headed perspective in the dept. of State and in Congress.


    "President Trump himself has revelled in US-Saudi ties, not least their importance for the US arms industry. But at least one seasoned diplomat has taken a very different view; a reflection of the growing tone of sentiment on Capitol Hill.

    The former State department official and Middle East negotiator Aaron David Miller noted recently that, in his view, Saudi Arabia isn't a strategic ally of the United States at all.

    In a damning assessment, he said that "at best it's an unreliable partner that episodically shares US interests and none of its values.""

    quoted from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-48695835
  3. Subscribermoonbus
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    21 Jun '19 19:30
    PS

    Congress has voted to block the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48709815

    not because Saudi Arabia does not need them, but to re-assert the system of checks-and-balances between the legislative and executive branches of government.
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    22 Jun '19 02:53
    @moonbus said
    PS

    Congress has voted to block the sale of arms to Saudi Arabia:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-48709815

    not because Saudi Arabia does not need them, but to re-assert the system of checks-and-balances between the legislative and executive branches of government.
    Trump will veto it.
  5. Subscribermoonbus
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    22 Jun '19 10:11
    @metal-brain said
    Trump will veto it.
    Maybe someone on the WH staff will explain it to him and he'll back off. Happened before.
  6. Zugzwang
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    23 Jun '19 19:41
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/19/jamal-khashoggi-killing-saudi-crown-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-evidence-un-report

    "‘Credible evidence’ Saudi crown prince liable for Khashoggi killing – UN report
    Mohammed bin Salman should be investigated over journalist’s murder, says report"

    "“It is the conclusion of the special rapporteur that Mr Khashoggi
    has been ...[text shortened]... to support Mohammed bin Salman
    and has eagerly sold more arms to fuel Saudi Arabia's war in Yemen.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/23/jamal-khashoggi-trump-un-request-fbi-investigation

    "Trump dismisses UN request for FBI to investigate Jamal Khashoggi's murder"

    "Donald Trump has dismissed a United Nations request for the FBI to investigate
    the murder of the dissident journalist Jamal Khashoggi, suggesting it would
    jeopardise American weapons sales to Saudi Arabia."

    President Trump's eagerly helping Saudi Arabia's cover-up.
  7. Zugzwang
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    25 Jun '19 22:50
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/25/trump-saudi-arabia-toadyism-richard-wolffe

    "Trump's toadyism to Saudi Arabia: a new moral low
    The Saudis are good customers, Trump says – which evidently outweighs the
    fact they murdered and carved up a Washington Post journalist."

    "Pressed by NBC, Trump made it clear that he couldn’t care less about the bone
    saw-wielding murderers who dismembered journalist Jamal Khashoggi, allegedly
    on the orders of the Saudi crown prince himself. He also couldn’t care about the
    UN’s recommendations that the FBI investigate the murder of Khashoggi, who
    was a US resident and wrote for the Washington Post.

    Unable to muster any human feeling, Trump couldn’t muster any rational answers either."

    "In fact, the Saudis decapitated 37 men just a few weeks ago, most of them minority
    Shia Muslims who were denied a fair trial. Some of them were children at the time
    of their sentencing. None of them were Washington Post journalists, and the
    killings received far less attention."

    Iran has attempted to do whatever it can (not much) to protect the Shia from
    persecution by the Sunni-led allies (particularly Saudi Arabia) of the USA.
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jun/25/trump-saudi-arabia-toadyism-richard-wolffe

    "Trump's toadyism to Saudi Arabia: a new moral low
    The Saudis are good customers, Trump says – which evidently outweighs the
    fact they murdered and carved up a Washington Post journalist."

    "Pressed by NBC, Trump made it clear that he couldn’t care less about the bone
    ...[text shortened]... protect the Shia from
    persecution by the Sunni-led allies (particularly Saudi Arabia) of the USA.
    its just the way of muslims…

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/08/iran-behind-two-assassinations-in-netherlands-minister
  9. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    27 Jun '19 21:53
    @moonbus said
    @Duchess64

    Donald Trump continues to support the Sauds; there is, however, a clearer-headed perspective in the dept. of State and in Congress.


    "President Trump himself has revelled in US-Saudi ties, not least their importance for the US arms industry. But at least one seasoned diplomat has taken a very different view; a reflection of the growing tone of sentiment on C ...[text shortened]... shares US interests and none of its values.""

    quoted from https://www.bbc.com/news/world-48695835
    Has there been a President that doesn't support the Sauds?
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