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  1. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    10 Apr '13 22:43
    It looks like Jane fonda will be playing the part of Nancy Regan in an upcoming movie. Wow...how times have changed!

    http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/jane-fonda-nancy-reagan-vets-conservatives-outraged-nancy-210912265.html
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    10 Apr '13 23:08
    Hahahaha
  3. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    14 Apr '13 23:03
    Hanoi Jane should just say no.
  4. 14 Apr '13 23:33 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by bill718
    It looks like Jane fonda will be playing the part of Nancy Regan in an upcoming movie. Wow...how times have changed!

    http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/jane-fonda-nancy-reagan-vets-conservatives-outraged-nancy-210912265.html
    An actress is not required to agree with her character's political opinions.
    Janet Suzman played Tsarina Alexandra in the film 'Nicholas and Alexandra',
    notwithstanding that the actress loathed what her character had stood for.
    Vanessa Redgrave (a member of the Workers Revolutionary Party) played
    Mary Queen of Scots.

    Has every actress who has played Margaret Thatcher approved of her politics?
    I doubt it. Perhaps Glenda Jackson could have played Margaret Thatcher!
  5. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    15 Apr '13 00:20
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    An actress is not required to agree with her character's political opinions.
    Janet Suzman played Tsarina Alexandra in the film 'Nicholas and Alexandra',
    notwithstanding that the actress loathed what her character had stood for.
    Vanessa Redgrave (a member of the Workers Revolutionary Party) played
    Mary Queen of Scots.

    Has every actress who has playe ...[text shortened]... ed of her politics?
    I doubt it. Perhaps Glenda Jackson could have played Margaret Thatcher!
    Dutchess64 - Thank You for telling us what we already know...
  6. 15 Apr '13 00:22
    Originally posted by bill718
    It looks like Jane fonda will be playing the part of Nancy Regan in an upcoming movie. Wow...how times have changed!

    http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/jane-fonda-nancy-reagan-vets-conservatives-outraged-nancy-210912265.html
    I never really looked but did Nancy have buns of steel?
  7. 15 Apr '13 00:42 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    Dutchess64 - Thank You for telling us what we already know...
    Occasionally, an actress may turn down the offer of a role because she objects
    to that character or at least to the way the character would be presented.
    If I recall correctly, there has been some controversy about whether or not a
    Jewish actress should be asked to play a Nazi woman (perhaps someone who
    worked in a concentration camp) and whether or not she should accept it.
    Sometimes an actress has rejected a part because she believes that it's too
    stereotypical or demeaning for various reasons (gender, race, religion, etc.)
    On the other hand, the film 'Memoirs of a Geisha' provoked controversy
    (for various reasons) in its casting when some of the most prominent roles
    of Japanese geisha were assigned to ethnic Chinese actresses.
  8. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    16 Apr '13 02:51
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    An actress is not required to agree with her character's political opinions.
    Janet Suzman played Tsarina Alexandra in the film 'Nicholas and Alexandra',
    notwithstanding that the actress loathed what her character had stood for.
    Vanessa Redgrave (a member of the Workers Revolutionary Party) played
    Mary Queen of Scots.

    Has every actress who has playe ...[text shortened]... ed of her politics?
    I doubt it. Perhaps Glenda Jackson could have played Margaret Thatcher!
    Jane Fonda is alive only due to the politics of the day. She provided aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. That is punishable by death. If I met her today I'd spit in her face.
  9. 16 Apr '13 03:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Jane Fonda is alive only due to the politics of the day. She provided aid and comfort to the enemy during wartime. That is punishable by death. If I met her today I'd spit in her face.
    "She (Jane Fonda) provided aid and comfort to the enemy during
    wartime."
    --Sasquatch672

    But there's a legal objection. The United States never formally
    declared war on the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The closest thing
    to it was the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (which was repealed eventually).
    When she visited Hanoi in July 1972, Jane Fonda was not in a country
    that was officially engaged in war against the United States.
  10. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    16 Apr '13 03:30
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "She (Jane Fonda) provided aid and comfort to the enemy during
    wartime."
    --Sasquatch672

    But there's a legal objection. The United States never formally
    declared war on the Socialist Republic of Vietnam. The closest thing
    to it was the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution (which was repealed eventually).
    When she visited Hanoi in July 1972, Jane Fonda was not in a country
    that was officially engaged in war against the United States.
    Technically you're correct. Ok. Then no right-thinking person should have employed her or bought a ticket to anything she was in. On principle, whether you agreed with the Vietnam War or not, being in a position to assist American prisoners and instead choosing to turn over notes they had entrusted you with to prison commanders, knowing that those Americans would face severe physical punishment and very likely death - she cannot suffer enough in death to satisfy me.
  11. 16 Apr '13 21:43
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Technically you're correct. Ok. Then no right-thinking person should have employed her or bought a ticket to anything she was in. On principle, whether you agreed with the Vietnam War or not, being in a position to assist American prisoners and instead choosing to turn over notes they had entrusted you with to prison commanders, knowing that those Am ...[text shortened]... re physical punishment and very likely death - she cannot suffer enough in death to satisfy me.
    I would be more disturbed by the fact that, without ever declaring war, the USA
    waged a protracted war that killed millions of people, than by anything ever
    done by Jane Fonda. By the way, I loathe Jane Fonda for some other reasons.

    Earlier, you (Sasquatch672) apparently attempted to make the case that Jane
    Fonda was guilty of treason against the USA and should have been executed for it.
    During the Second World War, Martin Monti, a USAAF pilot, defected to Germany,
    where he offered to fly for the Luftwaffe (his offer was declined) and helped make
    some Nazi propaganda broadcasts. Eventually, Martin Monti was convicted of
    treason and sentenced to 25 years in prison (he served only about 12 years).
    Why should Jane Fonda be punished much more harshly than Martin Monti was?
  12. 17 Apr '13 21:35
    Originally posted by bill718
    It looks like Jane fonda will be playing the part of Nancy Regan in an upcoming movie. Wow...how times have changed!

    http://movies.yahoo.com/blogs/movie-talk/jane-fonda-nancy-reagan-vets-conservatives-outraged-nancy-210912265.html
    Better than Omar Shariff playing Fidel Castro!
  13. 17 Apr '13 22:00
    Originally posted by Kunsoo to bill718
    Better than Omar Shariff playing Fidel Castro!
    Omar Sharif has played Dr Yuri Zhivago, a Russian who seemed sympathetic
    toward some, though not all, aspects of the October (Bolshevik) Revolution.
    I suspect that a Latino, not an Egyptian, actor would be cast to play Fidel Castro.
  14. 17 Apr '13 22:07
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Omar Sharif has played Dr Yuri Zhivago, a Russian who seemed sympathetic
    toward some, though not all, aspects of the October (Bolshevik) Revolution.
    I suspect that a Latino, not an Egyptian, actor would be cast to play Fidel Castro.
    There are lots of ironies involved in acting.

    Liam Neeson, ( a man from Ballymena in N Ireland, same County as Ian Paisley )

    played Michael Collins.

    Pierce Brosnan, ( a man from County Meath, Republic of Ireland )

    played British Secret Service super agent James Bond.
  15. 17 Apr '13 22:08
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Omar Sharif has played Dr Yuri Zhivago, a Russian who seemed sympathetic
    toward some, though not all, aspects of the October (Bolshevik) Revolution.
    I suspect that a Latino, not an Egyptian, actor would be cast to play Fidel Castro.
    There was a horrible movie released in the 1960s entitled "Che!" In it, Omar Shariff played Castro and had lines as bad as "The Revolutionary and the peasant are like the flower and the bee. Neither can propogate without the other."