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  1. Zugzwang
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    18 Feb '21 19:50
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/18/japans-ruling-party-invites-women-to-meetings-but-wont-let-them-speak

    "Japan’s ruling party invites women to meetings – but won't let them speak.
    LDP’s attempt to demonstrate gender equality after Olympic sexism row backfires"

    "It was a move designed to show that Japan’s ruling party was committed
    to gender equality after the sexism row that forced one of its former prime
    ministers, Yoshiro Mori, to resign as head of Tokyo’s Olympic organising committee.

    The time had come to give female members of the Liberal Democratic party (LDP)
    more prominence at key meetings, the party’s secretary general, Toshihiro Nikai,
    said this week, days after Mori had stepped down following his claim
    that meetings attended by “talkative women” tended to “drag on”.

    But Nikai’s attempt to address the yawning gender gap in his party
    quickly unravelled when it became clear that the small groups of
    women attending the meetings were expected to be seen but not heard.

    The LDP, which has governed Japan almost unchallenged since 1955,
    had proposed allowing groups of about five women to attend meetings of
    its 12-member board, 10 of whom are men, on condition they remained silent observers.

    The proposal was ridiculed on social media and by opposition MPs.
    “Male chauvinism and discrimination against women is always part
    of the LDP,” a Twitter user wrote."

    "Nikai reportedly made the proposal a day after Tomomi Inada, a
    former defence minister who campaigns to raise the status of female MPs,
    suggested women be permitted to attend important party meetings.
    Last year, Inada called Japan a “democracy without women” after
    Suga appointed just two women to his cabinet.

    “Women make up half of Japan’s population and 40% of the LDP grassroots
    membership,” she said. “If women do not have a place to discuss policies
    they want enacted, Japan’s democracy cannot help but be biased.”

    Japan’s gender problem is reflected in the composition of its lower
    house of parliament, where just 9.9% of MPs are women, well below
    the international average of 25.1%, according to the Inter-Parliamentary Union,
    the global organisation of national parliaments. In addition, Japan’s
    global ranking on gender parity placed it 121st out of 153 countries
    in the World Economic Forum 2020 report, 11 places down on the
    previous year and the largest gap among advanced economies."
  2. Subscribershavixmir
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    There is something seriously wrong with Japanese society.
    From those cafes where women are dressed like a cross between school girls and cats and sing in high-pitched voices, to nobody having sex anymore to teenage suicide rates to men buying used female knickers.
    Completely mad.

    Very good food though!
  3. Standard memberAThousandYoung
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    18 Feb '21 21:04
    Maybe the women should try not to talk so much in meetings. Nobody likes serial yakkers.

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  4. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    18 Feb '21 21:081 edit
    @Duchess64

    Just to clarify, China good, Japan bad?


    Edit: Did I miss your thread regarding the BBC report detailing allegations of rape, sexual abuse and torture of ethnic Uighur and other Muslim women in China? Or is it just woman not being let to speak in Japan that gets your goat?
  5. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    18 Feb '21 21:191 edit
    @shavixmir said
    There is something seriously wrong with Japanese society.
    From those cafes where women are dressed like a cross between school girls and cats and sing in high-pitched voices, to nobody having sex anymore to teenage suicide rates to men buying used female knickers.
    Completely mad.

    Very good food though!
    Without question the most amazing country I have ever visited. (But sure it has its quirks). Love the food, the people are friendly, polite, and welcoming. I remember at the bus stop there was a line on the ground where people waited in an orderly queue and nobody spoke on their mobiles on the bus.

    Got back to London and the very first bus journey I took a passenger threw a carton of cream over the driver.
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    18 Feb '21 21:23
    @Ghost-of-a-Duke

    Cream and sugar guv'na?
  7. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    18 Feb '21 21:28
    @phil-a-dork said
    @Ghost-of-a-Duke

    Cream and sugar guv'na?
    The passenger was cross the driver had driven off too quickly causing them to spill their shopping.
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    18 Feb '21 21:32
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/18/japans-ruling-party-invites-women-to-meetings-but-wont-let-them-speak

    "Japan’s ruling party invites women to meetings – but won't let them speak.
    LDP’s attempt to demonstrate gender equality after Olympic sexism row backfires"

    "It was a move designed to show that Japan’s ruling party was committed
    to gender equality aft ...[text shortened]... um 2020 report, 11 places down on the
    previous year and the largest gap among advanced economies."
    wow...Japan only has TWO genders...imagine that.
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    Hahaa
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    19 Feb '21 00:431 edit
    @shavixmir said
    There is something seriously wrong with Japanese society.
    From those cafes where women are dressed like a cross between school girls and cats and sing in high-pitched voices, to nobody having sex anymore to teenage suicide rates to men buying used female knickers.
    Completely mad.

    Very good food though!
    It is so mean-spirited of you to criticize cultural ethos, unless it is American. Ha!
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    19 Feb '21 00:461 edit
    @Ghost-of-a-Duke - to Duchess64

    Did I miss your thread regarding the BBC report detailing allegations of rape, sexual abuse and torture of ethnic Uighur and other Muslim women in China? Or is it just woman not being let to speak in Japan that gets your goat?

    The Duchess64 is a woman and is sometimes not allowed to speak.
  12. Zugzwang
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    19 Feb '21 00:471 edit
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    @Duchess64

    Just to clarify, China good, Japan bad?


    Edit: Did I miss your thread regarding the BBC report detailing allegations of rape, sexual abuse and torture of ethnic Uighur and other Muslim women in China? Or is it just woman not being let to speak in Japan that gets your goat?
    In fact, Ghost of a Duke has missed my posts in an earlier thread where I commented
    upon the allegations circulated by the BBC (shortly after they came out).
    As I recall, none of the usual rabid Sinophobes here took much exception to what I wrote.

    Professional women who have worked in China, Taiwan, Korea (South), and Japan
    have commented that Japan remains the most sexist of these societies.
    I heard Chin-Ning Chu (international business consultant) say so in a lecture.
    (She was fluent in Japanese. )

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chin_Ning_Chu

    Apparently, Japanese sexism is fine with Ghost of a Duke as long as he can bash the Chinese.
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    19 Feb '21 01:13
    No comment on the Muslims in China?
  14. Zugzwang
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    19 Feb '21 02:15
    @phil-a-dork said
    No comment on the Muslims in China?
    I ALREADY have written many posts (I expect that Ash and Teinosuke have read some of them)
    about Muslims in China and the usual ignorant nonsense that Westerners spew about it.
    It's a long complex history, about which Westerners here 'know' practically nothing.

    Of course, hateful trolls routinely shamelessly lie about what I write or don't write.

    Islamophobic Westerners here only pretend to care about some Muslims in China
    because they hate the Chinese more than they hate those Muslims. Elsewhere,
    these Westerners seem happy enough to allow Muslims to be oppressed or
    slaughtered by Israel, India (in Kashmir), even by (Buddhist) Myanmar.
    And a large amount of violence against Muslims is committed by other Muslims, as in Yemen.
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    19 Feb '21 05:35
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Without question the most amazing country I have ever visited. (But sure it has its quirks). Love the food, the people are friendly, polite, and welcoming. I remember at the bus stop there was a line on the ground where people waited in an orderly queue and nobody spoke on their mobiles on the bus.

    Got back to London and the very first bus journey I took a passenger threw a carton of cream over the driver.
    Ahhhh... London... the capital of civilization...
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