Originally posted by @metal-brain
Vietnam was an unjust war for imperialism. McCain was also a corrupt POS!
History doesn't remember people. People remember people and what you hear is not necessarily the whole story. Your failure to remember that is why you are a sick SOB.
First of all, I don't necessarily agree with everything that MetalBrain writes about John McCain.
But MetalBrain has cited sources (including the Huffington Post) that offer a much needed
balance in discussion, in contrast to the ignorant hero-worshipping of John McCain here.
I support MetalBrain's right to speak freely despite many efforts here to shout him down.
"Vietnam was an unjust war for imperialism."
By daring to express this unpopular belief among 'patriotic' Americans, MetalBrain shows
more moral courage and decency than Sonhouse, an apologist (at best) for US imperialism.
"The Other Side of John McCain"
"If the paeans to McCain by diverse political climbers seems detached from reality, it’s
because they reflect the elite view of U.S. military interventions as a chess game, with
the millions killed by unprovoked aggression mere statistics."
Few Americans (including 'liberals' ) sincerely object to the USA killing millions of non-white civilians.
"The late senator has also been treated to gratuitous tributes from an array of prominent
liberals, from George Soros to his soft power-pushing client, Ken Roth, along with three
fellow directors of Human Rights Watch and “democratic socialist” celebrity Alexandra
Ocasio-Cortez, who hailed McCain as “an unparalleled example of human decency.”"
Would the extremely naive (at best) Alexandra Ocasio-Cortez object to John McCain's
strong support of brutal right-wing dictatorships or 'death squads' in Central America?
"During the Vietnam war, McCain had been captured by the North Vietnamese Army
after being shot down on his way to bomb a civilian lightbulb factory."
Wikipedia gives more details of John McCain's last mission, bombing a target in a civilian area.
"On October 26, 1967, McCain was flying his twenty-third mission, part of a twenty-plane
strike force against the Yen Phu thermal power plant in central Hanoi that
*previously had almost always been off-limits to U.S. raids due to the possibility of
collateral damage. [civilian casualties]*  Arriving just before noon, McCain dove
from 9,000 to 4,000 feet on his approach; as he neared the target, warning systems
in McCain's A-4E Skyhawk alerted him that he was being tracked by enemy fire-control radar.
Like other U.S. pilots in similar situations, he did not break off the bombing run, and
he held his dive until he released his bombs at about 3,500 feet (1,000 m). As he
started to pull up, the Skyhawk's wing was blown off by a Soviet-made SA-2 anti-aircraft missile..."
"I hate the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."
--John McCain (2000)
"After he was criticized for the racist remark, McCain refused to apologize.
“I was referring to my prison guards,” he said, “and I will continue to refer to them in language
that might offend some people because of the beating and torture of my friends.”
Would John McCain also have insisted on continuing to use the 'N-word' because he
believed that (hypothetically) he or his friends had been mistreated by a few black people?
The US media's obsession with (and sometimes exaggeration of) the abuse of many,
though not all, American POWs in North Vietnam is a popular diversion (for 'liberals' too)
from the many much worse war crimes that the USA inflicted upon people in Indochina.
In reality, the USA or its South Vietnamese ally routinely tortured or murdered their real or
suspected Communist enemies, and few Americans seem sincerely to object to those crimes.
An American POW captured and held in North Vietnam evidently had a better chance of
survival than a PAVN or NLF soldier captured by the USA or its South Vietnamese ally.
In general, captured Americans were treated better than alleged Communist combatants who were captured.
In fact, during the 1960s-70s, some Americans who had been captured by the NLF attested
(sometimes in memoirs) that they had received fair treatment under difficult conditions for the NLF.
After being released, an American nurse denied that she had been raped or sexually assaulted
by the NLF, whereas it was common (and almost never punished) for American soldiers
to rape Vietnamese women and girls. When an American soldier murdered a Vietnamese
woman or girl after raping her, he became what the Americans called a 'double veteran'.
There seemed to be little, if any, stigma attached to Americans boasting of being 'double veterans'.
To sum up, contrary to what most 'patriotic' Americans eagerly want to believe today,
Americans were far from being the innocent victims in their brutal racist war in Indochina.
"There were few figures in recent American life who dedicated themselves so personally
to the perpetuation of war and empire as McCain."
A fair assessment. Almost all Americans here support US imperialism, and so they
admire and extol John McCain for his zealous support of US imperialism and militarism.
"American media may have sought to bury this legacy with the senator’s body,
but it is what much of the outside world will remember him for."
I shall remember John McCain as an avowed enemy (I oppose US imperialism), who
showed personal courage, yet was far from an exemplar of 'human decency'.