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  1. Zugzwang
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    01 Sep '16 00:33
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Duchess, wait. Why does this keep happening? Are you sure we are ALL, everyone but you, to blame for your continued heated run ins on this forum? You are, I think, simply clueless of how your words are often received, and you seem to have no ability to appreciate a grey area. Not BS-ing you here. You should talk to someone you know and trust about it.

    That is all.
    In fact, there's no 'grey area' in No1Marauder's lie to attack me.
    "Unlike you, I don't automatically believe every claim of rape."
    --No1Marauder (to Duchess64)

    Clearly, No1Marauder accused me of 'automatically believing every claim of rape'.
    No1Marauder cannot cite any evidence. He cannot quote anything where I wrote that.

    Sleepyguy also has a long record of hurling lies and other abuse at me, so it's extremely
    dishonest for Sleepyguy to pretend that he could be a dispassionate observer.
  2. Zugzwang
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    01 Sep '16 00:38
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The "saving" of the Yazidi from ISIS was the initial rationale used by the US to enter military operations against ISIS. I would still rate the claim that Mueller was raped (by the leader of ISIS no less) made on the basis of information received from two Yazidis girls months after her death as "unverified" and a bit convenient for US officials.http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/14/us/isis-leader-sexual-abuse-u-s-hostage/index.html
    ABC News has interviewed 'Julia' (a Yazidi girl), who claims that she knew Kayla Mueller in captivity.
    She claims that Kayla Mueller confided to her that she was being frequently raped.

    "Baghdadi took her (Kayla Mueller) several times in the night for himself."
    --'Julia' (who attempted to comfort Kayla Mueller after her rapes)

    Is 'Julia' lying? Is there any evidence that she has been offered an inducement to lie?
  3. Zugzwang
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    03 Sep '16 21:32
    Women aid workers (like Kayla Mueller) may face a particular danger in areas of conflict.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2016/08/23/491057541/gang-rape-of-aid-workers-in-south-sudan-is-a-turning-point

    "Gang Rape of Aid Workers in South Sudan is a Turning Point"
    --Jason Beaubien (23 August 2016)

    "On July 11 [2016], South Sudanese soldiers invaded a hotel in the capital of Juba and
    gang-raped foreign aid workers. 'The soldiers just came to the bathroom where all the girls
    were hiding and picked us out of the bathroom one by one', says one of the women who
    was in the hotel. She asked that her name not be used."

    "Despite calls for help to the UN compound down the road, no one came. ...
    this attack sent shock waves through the aid community."

    "The soldier who picked me, he walked me into another room....there were panties on the floor.
    So I knew what he was going to do....[He screamed at her] 'Open your legs. I'm going to
    kill you if you don't open your legs.'"
    --American woman aid worker

    She said that an officer ordered this soldier to stop in time, so she was not raped.
    But at least five other women were raped. One woman said that she was raped by 15 soldiers.

    Several of the victims seem to be Western women. Before this happened, Western
    security experts had assumed that Western women aid workers (in contrast to local women)
    were not at particular risk of being raped, being considered practically inviolable

    "We didn't feel that international staff were targets."
    --Steve McCann (a security specialist)

    Should foreign aid workers (particularly women) now begin to leave South Sudan?
  4. Zugzwang
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    16 Sep '16 22:00
    Nadia Murad Basee Taha, a 23 year old Yazidi woman, has been named as a UN goodwill ambassador.
    In August 2014, she was abducted and gang-raped by ISIS men, who made her a sex slave.
    She has called for the release of thousands of Yazidi women and girls still being held by ISIS.
  5. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    16 Sep '16 22:401 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Nadia Murad Basee Taha, a 23 year old Yazidi woman, has been named as a UN goodwill ambassador.
    In August 2014, she was abducted and gang-raped by ISIS men, who made her a sex slave.
    She has called for the release of thousands of Yazidi women and girls still being held by ISIS.
    That is excellent. She is a hero.
  6. Zugzwang
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    16 Sep '16 23:02
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    That is excellent. She is a hero.
    She has said that her mother and six brothers were murdered by ISIS. (Her father already was dead.)
    During her three months of captivity, she was repeatedly raped. After an unsuccessful
    attempt to escape, she was beaten up and raped by six men. She decided that she
    would prefer to die rather than be ISIS's sexual property, and she succeeded in escaping.
    After being in a refugee camp, she was granted asylum in Germany. In December 2015,
    she spoke about what she had experienced and observed to the UN Security Council.
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