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  1. 08 Jun '10 16:07
    http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dHQ1k_gifVXkklMHazk3dqFhEinPM&topic=m

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/?hpt=T2
    Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests
    CNN - ‎Jun 7, 2010‎
    By Madison Park, CNN (CNN) -- A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian households were psychologically well-adjusted and had fewer behavioral problems than their peers. The study, published Monday in the journal Pediatrics, ...


    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/in.america.conversation.gay.parents/
    Does parent's sexual orientation affect children?
    CNN - ‎Jun 7, 2010‎
    Children raised in lesbian households had fewer behavioral problems than their peers, according to a 25-year study published Monday in the journal Pediatrics. Gay parenting remains a controversial issue, with debates about topics including the ...


    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/06/07/in.america.conversation.gay.parents/
    Kids With Lesbian Parents Do Just Fine
    BusinessWeek - Serena Gordon - ‎2 hours ago‎
    MONDAY, June 7 (HealthDay News) -- When compared to teens of the same age, adolescents raised by lesbian parents are doing just fine socially, psychologically and academically, new research finds. Not only that, they have fewer social ...


    http://www.webmd.com/parenting/news/20100607/kids-of-lesbian-parents-are-well-adjusted
    Study: Kids of Lesbian Parents Are Well-Adjusted
    WebMD - Kathleen Doheny - ‎19 hours ago‎
    June 7, 2010 -- Children raised by lesbian parents develop into psychologically healthy teens and have fewer behavior problems than their peers, according to the latest report on a long-running study that began in 1986. ...
  2. 08 Jun '10 17:07 / 1 edit
    "Funding for the research came from several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups".

    So they paid for the research and HOLY MOLY the researchers supported their claims OmiGod who'd have thunk it?
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    08 Jun '10 17:11
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    "Funding for the research came from several lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender advocacy groups".

    So they paid for the research and HOLY MOLY the researchers supported their claims OmiGod who'd have thunk it?
    Well, when the conclusions oft he study also stated "Oh, by the way, gay people have much better sex than all of you heteros, so nya nya nya nya nya" that was really the giveaway.
  4. 08 Jun '10 17:23
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dHQ1k_gifVXkklMHazk3dqFhEinPM&topic=m

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/?hpt=T2
    Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests
    CNN - ‎Jun 7, 2010‎
    By Madison Park, CNN (CNN) -- A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian h ...[text shortened]... han their peers, according to the latest report on a long-running study that began in 1986. ...
    what exactly is there to debate?
  5. 08 Jun '10 17:32
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    what exactly is there to debate?
    whether it's true or not
  6. 08 Jun '10 17:33
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    what exactly is there to debate?
    give it time ... you'll see more bubbles soon ...
  7. 08 Jun '10 18:05
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    whether it's true or not
    the studies say its true, personally I find it hard to believe, and even if its true I don't think it matters much.
  8. 08 Jun '10 18:07
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    give it time ... you'll see more bubbles soon ...
    can you copy and paste a few texts from wiki to make this debate more exciting?

  9. Standard member Scheel
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    08 Jun '10 18:08
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://news.google.com/news/more?pz=1&cf=all&ncl=dHQ1k_gifVXkklMHazk3dqFhEinPM&topic=m

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/06/07/lesbian.children.adjustment/?hpt=T2
    Kids of lesbians have fewer behavioral problems, study suggests
    CNN - &#8206;Jun 7, 2010&#8206;
    By Madison Park, CNN (CNN) -- A nearly 25-year study concluded that children raised in lesbian h ...[text shortened]... han their peers, according to the latest report on a long-running study that began in 1986. ...
    Since this is published in what I assume is the "Journal of Pediatrics", a peer- revived publication by Elsevier of a certain international standing it should be possible for other scientists - well even the interested RHP right winger - to confirm the quality of the study.

    CNN provides no links to the study so difficult to verify if it discusses cause and effect or only statistics.

    My personal theory is that what kids need most of all is parents that are committed to providing a stable parenting environment in a wide sense and are committed in their love of the child.

    All else being equal I do think that lesbians, choosing to live together, choosing to raise a child together, in the face of (religious) society's disapproval must be very committed to the task.
    That can only be good for their kids.
    It would be interesting to know if the study was stratified for effects like this.


    Do you have any thoughts not related to the funding of the study ?
  10. 08 Jun '10 18:16
    it could be that pairs of lesbians who commit to raise a kid together are likely to have more feminine traits (taken together, the sum of both parents treated as a unit) than those who choose not to raise kids, or of those of any other

    anecdotally, you still see contentious custody fights among lesbians, but maybe the preponderance is less, and similarly the preponderance of contentious parents who choose to stay together may be less.

    i.e., less testosterone in lesbian pairs who choose to raise kids together.
  11. 08 Jun '10 19:03
    were the children studied in a 2 income household?
    I think it just as important that one of the parents is a stay at home parent.
    Don't get me wrong though, kids do get some quality care in those situations. But if they are just stuck in front of a TV set somewhere, it will show.
  12. Standard member Scheel
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    08 Jun '10 19:09
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    it could be that pairs of lesbians who commit to raise a kid together are likely to have more feminine traits (taken together, the sum of both parents treated as a unit) than those who choose not to raise kids, or of those of any other

    anecdotally, you still see contentious custody fights among lesbians, but maybe the preponderance is less, and similar ...[text shortened]... ther may be less.

    i.e., less testosterone in lesbian pairs who choose to raise kids together.
    So your theory would be that less testosterone in the parenting enviroment is beneficial for the childs upbringing. That is a theory - for any scientist out their in search of a research object - that could be tested with blood tests.

    Or even, if screening for the more fuzzy notion of feminine traits, with suitable questionaires.

    Still my bet would be on comitment and love as decisive factors. But there is probably a whole host of other factors, stand alone or interlinked, that influences ?
  13. Standard member Scheel
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    08 Jun '10 19:16
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    were the children studied in a 2 income household?
    I think it just as important that one of the parents is a stay at home parent.
    Don't get me wrong though, kids do get some quality care in those situations. But if they are just stuck in front of a TV set somewhere, it will show.
    ome countries in the world have a society model where predominantly both parents are active in the labor market supported by a day care system.

    Some countries in the world have a society model where one parent stay at home and the other parent work (presumably more) to uphold the same standard of living.


    I think you are right that leaving the kid with the TV or at the boarding school from young age (any experience out there) can be bad.
  14. 08 Jun '10 19:47
    Studies show that studies show whatever you want the studier to show:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
  15. Standard member Scheel
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    08 Jun '10 20:17
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Studies show that studies show whatever you want the studier to show:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCMzjJjuxQI
    If that was the only truth, we would not have moved the least bit since the dark age.
    And yet some of us now know that the earth is round, that nature is ruled by the laws of physics and that Dry Martinies are good for your health.

    So peer-reviewed, fact based, verifyable science can add new knowledge to those who care to open their eyes and listen.