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    02 Sep '18 16:30
    ...and their love for terrorists. Thank God for Trump, untold lives being saved here.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/31/federal-doj-arrests-five-new-mexico-terror-training-suspects-after-multiple-local-charges-dropped/
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    02 Sep '18 16:34
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    ...and their love for terrorists. Thank God for Trump, untold lives being saved here.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/31/federal-doj-arrests-five-new-mexico-terror-training-suspects-after-multiple-local-charges-dropped/
    The "terrorists" who can't seem to be charged with any crimes relating to terrorism?
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    02 Sep '18 16:501 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    ...and their love for terrorists. Thank God for Trump, untold lives being saved here.

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2018/08/31/federal-doj-arrests-five-new-mexico-terror-training-suspects-after-multiple-local-charges-dropped/
    The "liberal" judges dismissed the child abuse charges because prosecutors failed to have enough evidence of them to present at a probable cause hearing, which State law requires to be held within 10 days of arrest. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/31/fbi-arrests-five-extremist-muslim-new-mexico-compound-suspects-days-after-multiple-charges-were-dropped.html

    While the new charges against Leveille (for a gun control violation of all things for right wingers to love) seem likely to stick, I have severe doubts that an aiding abetting and conspiracy charge against the people who lived with her apparently for the mere knowledge that she had firearms and ammunition will survive pre-trial hearings. Their arrest on such charges seems pretextual.
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    02 Sep '18 16:52
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The "liberal" judges dismissed the child abuse charges because prosecutors failed to have enough evidence of them to present at a probable cause hearing, which State law requires to be held within 10 days of arrest. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/08/31/fbi-arrests-five-extremist-muslim-new-mexico-compound-suspects-days-after-multiple-charges-were-droppe ...[text shortened]... s and ammunition will survive pre-trial hearings. Their arrest on such charges seems pretextual.
    liberals misusing our laws to free terrorists...imagine that.
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    02 Sep '18 16:551 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    liberals misusing our laws to free terrorists...imagine that.
    How is that a "misuse" of our laws?

    These people still haven't been charged with anything remotely related to "terrorism" BTW but you know that.
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    02 Sep '18 17:09
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    How is that a "misuse" of our laws?

    These people still haven't been charged with anything remotely related to "terrorism" BTW but you know that.
    but are now being held until things are sorted out...you have a problem with that?
  7. Subscriberno1marauder
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    02 Sep '18 17:37
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    but are now being held until things are sorted out...you have a problem with that?
    The State isn't allowed to "hold people until things get sorted out". It holds people who are charged with crimes pursuant to legal and constitutional rules.

    I have my doubts that these charges will hold up for long against 4 of the defendants; there will be a pre-trial appearance on Tuesday and I presume a probable cause hearing will be scheduled then. It is also possible most of these defendants will be granted bail or pre-trial release.

    That is "our laws".
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    Some jingoistic Americans here like to boast that all Americans have a deep knowledge of history.
    So who remembers the "Los Angeles Eight" case of about 30 years ago?

    "... in 1987 when eight Palestinians were arrested in Los Angeles. They were charged
    under an antiquated anti-communism law called the McCarran-Walter Act that accused
    them of "supporting an organization that advocated world communism" for their possible
    association with the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine.[9] According to the
    ACLU, the eight were "prosecuted for ideas, beliefs and thoughts of a magazine for
    which none have been writers or editors.”"
    --Wikipedia

    https://ccrjustice.org/home/press-center/press-releases/judge-throws-out-charges-los-angeles-eight-case

    "Judge Throws Out Charges in “Los Angeles Eight” Case"
    --(23 October 2007)

    https://www.democracynow.org/2007/11/2/the_case_of_the_la8_u

    "The Case of the L.A. 8: U.S. Drops 20-Year Effort to Deport Arab Americans for Supporting Palestinian National Rights"
    --Amy Goodman (2 November 2007)

    "MARC VAN DER HOUT: The [US] government lost the case probably six times totally in
    the course of the 20 years. Each time, they went to Congress to change the law and
    tried to get the decisions overruled from the courts. Finally, they had to prove their case
    last year in a related case, Aiad Barakat, one of the individuals who was applying for citizenship.
    They tried to deny him citizenship on the same grounds: providing material support to the PFLP.
    The government had nothing. They couldn’t prove their case. I think finally they realized,
    when they had to come up with evidence, they could come up with nothing. And saner
    minds prevailed finally after 20 — over 20 years, and they decided to drop the case."

    "MICHEL SHEHADEH: ... we had six sets of charges throughout, because, as Marc has outlined,
    we were charged under the McCarran-Walter Act, then under the 1990 Immigration Act,
    then under the 1996 Antiterrorism Act, then under the PATRIOT Act, and also under the
    Real ID Act. So, we were charged retroactively also for things allegedly that were done
    way before the law was established. And the toll on our lives was really huge, because,
    can you imagine 21 years living with uncertainty, stigmatized?"
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    03 Sep '18 11:14
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The State isn't allowed to "hold people until things get sorted out". It holds people who are charged with crimes pursuant to legal and constitutional rules.

    I have my doubts that these charges will hold up for long against 4 of the defendants; there will be a pre-trial appearance on Tuesday and I presume a probable cause hearing will be scheduled t ...[text shortened]... sible most of these defendants will be granted bail or pre-trial release.

    That is "our laws".
    of course they can be held legally...they are now...dumbass
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    03 Sep '18 12:57
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    of course they can be held legally...they are now...dumbass
    Just because the State does something doesn't make it legal, which is why we have due process safeguards for the accused.

    These accused will be in front of a judge tomorrow as required by law. We'll see what happens.
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