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  1. 28 Jul '15 19:31
    by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


    1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

    Leftism is a cult.

    2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

    Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a selective application that serves only to further the Leftist agenda.

    3. Liberalism allows for different points of view. Liberals even respectfully listen to viewpoints that go against liberalism.

    Leftists angrily silence all dissent.

    4. Liberals celebrate individuality: each liberal is unique in both personal and political choices.

    Leftism is built upon conformity. Leftists wear the same clothes, speak the same coded language, think the same thoughts. If they don’t, they are immediately outed and ousted.

    5. Liberals do not fear being disliked for their beliefs: they would rather be right and out of fashion.

    Leftists hate being disliked, and would rather die than have unfashionable beliefs.

    6. Liberals have great compassion for the suffering in the world.

    Leftists have selective compassion. If the compassion serves the Leftist agenda, they will express it. If it doesn’t, they will ignore it.

    7. Liberals think before they talk.

    Leftists listen (to hear what other Leftists are saying) before they talk.

    8. Politics is important to liberals, but it doesn’t come before family and friends.

    Leftists will sell out their parents and children if it meant scoring points with fellow Leftists.

    9. Leftists argue by name-calling, bullying, and ending friendships.

    Liberals argue by using arguments.

    10. Leftists think they are the smartest people in the room because they have advanced degrees.

    Liberals don’t see higher education as a sign of advanced intelligence, and also know that intelligence and morality are often mutually exclusive: some of the smartest people have conceived of the most evil ideas.

    11. Leftists see the role of universities as the indoctrination of Leftism.

    Liberals see the role of universities as the enhancement of critical thinking.

    12. Leftists see the role of the media as the indoctrination of Leftism.

    Liberals see a distinct difference between objective reporting and opinion.

    13. Leftists believe in factual relativism—“truth” is a concept to bend when necessary.

    Liberals believe in truth and universal truths.

    14. Leftists believe in moral relativism; if a trendy “victimized” culture is acting immorally that immorality must be overlooked and/or denied.

    Liberals believe in universal morality.

    15. Liberalism allows for all religious and spiritual beliefs.

    Leftism replaces religion; it even replaces race.

    16. Liberals tend to be happy, confident people, secure in their ability to navigate the world.

    Leftists tend to be fearful, angry people who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.
  2. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    28 Jul '15 20:54
    Karen Lehrman Bloch is a cultural critic, a curator, and the director of Grafia Books, a producer of high-end books on art, design, and style. Founder of the online gallery Studio Deep Beauty, Lehrman Bloch is the author of The Inspired Home: Interiors of Deep Beauty; La Formentera: The Woodland Refuge of Juan Montoya (Introduction); and The Lipstick Proviso: Women, Sex & Power in the Real World. Her essays and commentary have appeared in The New York Times, The New Republic, The Wall Street Journal, Slate, Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, Art + Auction, and Metropolis.

    whodey is nothing if not eclectic in his reading.
  3. 28 Jul '15 23:58
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Karen Lehrman Bloch is a cultural critic, a curator, and the director of Grafia Books, a producer of high-end books on art, design, and style. Founder of the online gallery Studio Deep Beauty, Lehrman Bloch is the author of The Inspired Home: Interiors of Deep Beauty; La Formentera: The Woodland Refuge of Juan Montoya (Introduction); and The Lipstick ...[text shortened]... azaar, Art + Auction, and Metropolis.

    whodey is nothing if not eclectic in his reading.
    Karen Lehrman Bloch makes some distinctions that revive the classical liberal meaning, and separate it from leftism.
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Jul '15 10:00
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Karen Lehrman Bloch makes some distinctions that revive the classical liberal meaning, and separate it from leftism.
    You seem incapable of making distinctions between serious / trivial, adult / infantile, intelligent / moronic, informed / deluded, rational / berserk so long as you can detect a Left / Right distinction regardless of merit. As such, you are very much at home on this forum and surrounded by friends, which may be very nice for you.
  5. 29 Jul '15 13:46
    Originally posted by whodey
    by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


    1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

    Leftism is a cult.

    2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

    Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a sele ...[text shortened]... eople who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.
    ooo i can do this too:

    1.plato was a greek philosopher
    justin bieber is a bad pop singer

    2. plato wore a robe
    justin bieber wears jeans

    3 plate was an old man
    justin bieber isn't an old man



    what other 2 concepts that have nothing to do with one another can we put in contrast? note that i have not lied in my above statements. they are all quite true.

    as far as how useful they are to communicate something, well, that's not the object of this game, is it?

    btw, your karen needs to look up what it means to be on the left in the political spectrum. tell her to try wikipedia, that's always a good start
  6. 29 Jul '15 18:53
    Originally posted by finnegan
    You seem incapable of making distinctions between serious / trivial, adult / infantile, intelligent / moronic, informed / deluded, rational / berserk so long as you can detect a Left / Right distinction regardless of merit. As such, you are very much at home on this forum and surrounded by friends, which may be very nice for you.
    Have you any significant contribution to make about the thread, or is this personal attack all you have?
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Jul '15 18:55
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Have you any significant contribution to make about the thread, or is this personal attack all you have?
    Was your's a significant contribution? Is the OP a significant contribution?
  8. 29 Jul '15 19:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Was your's a significant contribution? Is the OP a significant contribution?
    Yes on both counts. And neither was insulting or antagonistic to you, so your response was unprovoked aggression. If you feel an OP is not worthy of your response, simply ignore it.
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Jul '15 20:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Yes on both counts. And neither was insulting or antagonistic to you, so your response was unprovoked aggression. If you feel an OP is not worthy of your response, simply ignore it.
    If I feel a post is pig ignorant then I reserve the right to mock it accordingly.
  10. 29 Jul '15 21:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan to Normbenign
    You seem incapable of making distinctions between serious / trivial, adult / infantile, intelligent / moronic, informed / deluded, rational / berserk so long as you can detect a Left / Right distinction regardless of merit. As such, you are very much at home on this forum and surrounded by friends, which may be very nice for you.
    To the extent that his brain can function at all, Normbenign's 'thinking' is extremely primitive,
    more like a conditioned reflex than anything cognitive. Evidently, Normbenign insists
    on a pseudo-Manichaean division of the universe into parts: a right-wing one of absolute
    Good and a left-wing one of absolute Evil. Normbenign insists upon imposing this
    fanatical ideological division upon many contexts where it's absurd. (Issues such as
    climate change or acquaintance rape are *not* really right-wing vs left-wing disputes.)

    And Normbenign's even more idiotic than some extreme right-wing Christian fundamentalists here.
    When they (e.g. RJHInds) reject the theory of evolution, they at least can claim that it's
    based upon their literal interpretation of the Bible. But Normbenign, who claims to be
    an atheist, does not even have that excuse.
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    30 Jul '15 01:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    by Karen Lehrman Bloch.


    1. Liberalism is a political philosophy.

    Leftism is a cult.

    2. Liberalism espouses a core set of values and principles—freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of the press—that are applied to every situation in every country of the world.

    Leftism espouses a fascist interpretation of said principles with a sele ...[text shortened]... eople who use their Leftism both to assuage their fears and as a bulldozer to navigate each day.
    Liberalism today might as well be called leftism because practically all the liberals vote for the Democrat Party right along with the left-wing radicals. There is another political philosophy that is called libertarianism that started a Libertarian Party that want to eliminate government control so everyone is free to do as they please as long as they don't hurt anyone. This also seems too extreme for me.

    That is why I usually vote Republican because they tend to hold to more conservative principles, even though many of the Republican politicians don't always live up to those principles.

    Conservative vs. Liberal Beliefs

    http://www.studentnewsdaily.com/conservative-vs-liberal-beliefs/
  12. 30 Jul '15 03:10
    The classical usage of the term "liberal" is the opposite of authoritarian. However, what happens when the liberal achieves power? How can they avoid the corrupting influence of power and not become authoritarian themselves?

    It reminds me of the Founding Fathers who fought a long bloody revolution for freedom. One of the first acts was to pass the Alien and Sedition Acts which made speaking out against those in government illegal.
  13. 30 Jul '15 09:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    The classical usage of the term "liberal" is the opposite of authoritarian. However, what happens when the liberal achieves power? How can they avoid the corrupting influence of power and not become authoritarian themselves?

    It reminds me of the Founding Fathers who fought a long bloody revolution for freedom. One of the first acts was to pass the Alien and Sedition Acts which made speaking out against those in government illegal.
    "The classical usage of the term "liberal" is the opposite of authoritarian. "
    liberal is the opposite of conservative.
  14. 30 Jul '15 23:31
    Originally posted by finnegan
    If I feel a post is pig ignorant then I reserve the right to mock it accordingly.
    I'll keep that in mind when responding to your pig ignorant rants.
  15. 30 Jul '15 23:34
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    To the extent that his brain can function at all, Normbenign's 'thinking' is extremely primitive,
    more like a conditioned reflex than anything cognitive. Evidently, Normbenign insists
    on a pseudo-Manichaean division of the universe into parts: a right-wing one of absolute
    Good and a left-wing one of absolute Evil. Normbenign insists upon imposing thi ...[text shortened]... ion of the Bible. But Normbenign, who claims to be
    an atheist, does not even have that excuse.
    Again, everything turns into a personal attack, from an individual incapable of logical thought, and the writing skills of a 4th grader, not to be too insulting to 4th graders.