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    15 Nov '16 00:171 edit
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

    That is what he used to say. We are going to build a wall and deport all the illegals.

    Now he says he is going to build a wall as well as fences, then he is going to deport the criminal illegals. Those other illegals are good people and we are going to have to revisit them after we get rid of the bad guys. This is his new position. He doesn't seem to understand that if they are illegal, then they are criminals by definition.

    Trump is already starting to look more and more like a Bush and he hasn't even taken office.
  2. Subscriberno1marauder
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    15 Nov '16 00:51
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

    That is what he used to say. We are going to build a wall and deport all the illegals.

    Now he says he is going to build a wall as well as fences, then he is going to deport the criminal illegals. Those other illegals are good people and we are going to have to re ...[text shortened]...

    Trump is already starting to look more and more like a Bush and he hasn't even taken office.
    Not necessarily. Unlawful entry into the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum of six months in jail and a $250 fine. You'd have to build a lot more jails if you really want to criminally prosecute every unlawful entry, however.

    But many illegal aliens simply overstay visas and that is not a criminal offense. See: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html
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    15 Nov '16 03:05
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Not necessarily. Unlawful entry into the country is a misdemeanor punishable by a maximum of six months in jail and a $250 fine. You'd have to build a lot more jails if you really want to criminally prosecute every unlawful entry, however.

    But many illegal aliens simply overstay visas and that is [b]not
    a criminal offense. See: http://blogs.findlaw.com/blotter/2014/07/is-illegal-immigration-a-crime-improper-entry-v-unlawful-presence.html[/b]
    Just deport them. I know libtards find truth difficult to comprehend so I can understand how you missed the point of the original post.
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    15 Nov '16 05:50
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

    That is what he used to say. We are going to build a wall and deport all the illegals.

    Now he says he is going to build a wall as well as fences, then he is going to deport the criminal illegals. Those other illegals are good people and we are going to have to re ...[text shortened]...

    Trump is already starting to look more and more like a Bush and he hasn't even taken office.
    Did you really think it was going to happen? Seriously?
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    15 Nov '16 10:22
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

    That is what he used to say. We are going to build a wall and deport all the illegals.

    Now he says he is going to build a wall as well as fences, then he is going to deport the criminal illegals. Those other illegals are good people and we are going to have to re ...[text shortened]...

    Trump is already starting to look more and more like a Bush and he hasn't even taken office.
    A lot of companies hire illegals and he does not want to piss them off. It would not surprise me if he is changing his tune on that. If that is the case then he will probably change his tune on everything. Until we see what he really does though, give him the respect he deserves as the president when he takes office.
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    15 Nov '16 11:411 edit
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    [b]A lot of companies hire illegals and he does not want to piss them off. It would not surprise me if he is changing his tune on that. If that is the case then he will probably change his tune on everything. Until we see what he really does though, give him the respect he deserves as the president when he takes office.
    Oh...you mean the same respect you gave Obama?? 😲
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    15 Nov '16 12:10
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    A lot of companies hire illegals and he does not want to piss them off. It would not surprise me if he is changing his tune on that. If that is the case then he will probably change his tune on everything. Until we see what he really does though, give him the respect he deserves as the president when he takes office.
    Why give respect to a liar? He is no different than Obama.
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    15 Nov '16 12:32
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/11/politics/donald-trump-deportation-force-debate-immigration/

    That is what he used to say. We are going to build a wall and deport all the illegals.

    Now he says he is going to build a wall as well as fences, then he is going to deport the criminal illegals. Those other illegals are good people and we are going to have to re ...[text shortened]...

    Trump is already starting to look more and more like a Bush and he hasn't even taken office.
    The wall is the one issue he ran on.

    If he fails to deliver, he will get crucified in 2020.
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    15 Nov '16 12:33
    Originally posted by mchill
    Oh...you mean the same respect you gave Obama?? 😲
    Do liars deserve our respect?

    The middle class is reeling from rising health care costs thanks to the liar in chief.
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    15 Nov '16 12:53
    Originally posted by mchill
    Oh...you mean the same respect you gave Obama?? 😲
    I said Obama has the chance to be a national hero when he got elected. His lies and actions were what earned him the disrespect.
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    15 Nov '16 12:58
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why give respect to a liar? He is no different than Obama.
    We shall see. Until he takes office he hasn't done anything to judge him on. If he is a liar, and he probably is, then we can size him up and he doesn't deserve the respect of being the president. If he isn't a liar, he has a chance of being a national hero.
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    15 Nov '16 13:05
    Originally posted by whodey
    The wall is the one issue he ran on.

    If he fails to deliver, he will get crucified in 2020.
    I doubt it. People don't vote based on promises made (we're not electing a king who does what he wants, but an official who must convince the Houses to agree with him). Candidates typically keep very few of their promises.

    Instead, people vote based on what the candidate represents, and the types of ideas they present. Trump perfectly encapsulates Republican ideals.
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    15 Nov '16 13:07
    Originally posted by vivify
    I doubt it. People don't vote based on promises made (we're not electing a king who does what he wants, but an official who must convince the Houses to agree with him). Candidates typically keep very few of their promises.

    Instead, people vote based on what the candidate represents, and the types of ideas they present. Trump perfectly encapsulates Republican ideals.
    That was the best rationalization of a candidate lying I have ever seen. Good on ya. With more people like you we can continue the tradition.
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    15 Nov '16 13:101 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    I doubt it. People don't vote based on promises made (we're not electing a king who does what he wants, but an official who must convince the Houses to agree with him). Candidates typically keep very few of their promises.

    Instead, people vote based on what the candidate represents, and the types of ideas they present. Trump perfectly encapsulates Republican ideals.
    Because the Executive branch has expanded its powers uncontested over the years and now routinely get away with lying their arses off, this is now the norm.

    Only expect electing kings from now on. In fact, expect it only to get worse.
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    15 Nov '16 13:251 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why give respect to a liar? He is no different than Obama.
    Interesting your thread title, which sort of presupposes that Trump actually had a tune to change. It seems like he's playing something coherent, but he's just a jazz player. The tune you thought he was playing, was him just establishing a riff, a groove, a point of connection with you the audience, before he launches into full scale improvisation. Is the tune important to a great improvisor? Not really. It just gets things started, but eventually you don't remember or really care about the underlying tune, as long as the player gets the music to take you somewhere new.....
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