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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
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    21 Aug '18 20:51
    5 tax fraud, 1 failure to report a bank account and 2 bank frauds. Jury hung on the other 10 counts.

    Slammer time is a virtual certainty.
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    21 Aug '18 21:111 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    5 tax fraud, 1 failure to report a bank account and 2 bank frauds. Jury hung on the other 10 counts.

    Slammer time is a virtual certainty.
    Yes, and he has another trial to go. Who knows how that will turn out.

    Oh, by the way. Can he be retried on those charges w/ a hung jury?
  3. Subscriberno1marauder
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    21 Aug '18 21:19
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Yes, and he has another trial to go. Who knows how that will turn out.

    Oh, by the way. Can he be retried on those charges w/ a hung jury?
    He could, but I doubt he will given the pending charges in Washington and the likelihood of at least 5 years or so sentence in this case.
  4. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    21 Aug '18 21:24
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    He could, but I doubt he will given the pending charges in Washington and the likelihood of at least 5 years or so sentence in this case.
    Is there a pardon on the horizon?
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    21 Aug '18 21:27
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Is there a pardon on the horizon?
    We'll see. It would probably be political suicide not just for Trump, but for Republican chances in the mid-terms.

    The revelation in Cohen's plea deal might be that anyway.
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    21 Aug '18 23:59
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    We'll see. It would probably be political suicide not just for Trump, but for Republican chances in the mid-terms.

    The revelation in Cohen's plea deal might be that anyway.
    Which one hurt Trump more? Cohen or Manafort? Right now, Cohen has directly implicated Trump in campaign violations with the two sex payments, which apparently came directly out of campaign money. So far that seems to be the most damning thing to Trump but more will come out for sure. Omarosa may have more damning audio or video too and she is co-operating with Mueller too.

    What was it Trump said? Let's see, oh yeah, 'I only hire the best'

    Oh the irony.

    Rachel Maddow is MOIST right now🙂
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    22 Aug '18 06:15
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    5 tax fraud, 1 failure to report a bank account and 2 bank frauds. Jury hung on the other 10 counts.

    Slammer time is a virtual certainty.
    Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter - the first two Congressmen to endorse Donald Trump for President - are both indicted in this month too.

    Looks like "the swamp is being drained". Just not by Trump and his band of ... well... criminals.
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    22 Aug '18 06:54
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Is there a pardon on the horizon?
    Or will he shut down Mueller ?
    Wow !!
    How many ways to commit political suicide ?
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    22 Aug '18 14:17
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    We'll see. It would probably be political suicide not just for Trump, but for Republican chances in the mid-terms.

    The revelation in Cohen's plea deal might be that anyway.
    GHW Bush pardoned Oliver North and others in the Iran/Contra scandal and it was not political suicide. Ford pardoned Nixon. Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal. Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner. The list goes on and on.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1224.html
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    22 Aug '18 15:10
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    GHW Bush pardoned Oliver North and others in the Iran/Contra scandal and it was not political suicide. Ford pardoned Nixon. Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal. Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner. The list goes on and on.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1224.html
    Your cite was impossible to read (for me) so can you refresh my memory -- were those pardons issued as the incumbent left office, so that their reelection was already decided?
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    22 Aug '18 18:411 edit
    Originally posted by @metal-brain
    GHW Bush pardoned Oliver North and others in the Iran/Contra scandal and it was not political suicide. Ford pardoned Nixon. Clinton pardoned Susan McDougal. Reagan pardoned George Steinbrenner. The list goes on and on.

    https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/1224.html
    Both Bush and Ford lost their re-election bids after those pardons and never held elective
    office again.

    CORRECTION: Bush pardoned North and the other Iran-Contra figures AFTER he lost re-election i.e. on December 24, 1992. https://www.newsweek.com/pardon-me-192108
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    22 Aug '18 18:45
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Both Bush and Ford lost their re-election bids after those pardons and never held elective office again.
    Agreed, pardoning them would be a mistake.

    Trump should look at the way the GOP tried to impeach Clinton and see how Clinton's approval number just went up till he won another election.
  13. Subscriberno1marauder
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    22 Aug '18 18:55
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Agreed, pardoning them would be a mistake.

    Trump should look at the way the GOP tried to impeach Clinton and see how Clinton's approval number just went up till he won another election.
    Clinton didn't win another election after the impeachment trial.

    Trump is eventually going to resign or he and the Republicans are going to get crushed electorally (they probably still will but his resignation might reduce the carnage).
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    22 Aug '18 19:061 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder to Whodey
    Clinton didn't win another election after the impeachment trial.

    Trump is eventually going to resign or he and the Republicans are going to get crushed electorally (they probably still will but his resignation might reduce the carnage).
    "Trump is eventually going to resign or he and the Republicans are going to get crushed electorally."
    --No1Marauder

    Donald Trump cares most about himself, much less about the Republican Party.
    I would not be too surprised if he follows LBJ's example (Johnson, not James) and does not run in 2020.
  15. Subscriberno1marauder
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    22 Aug '18 19:29
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "Trump is eventually going to resign or he and the Republicans are going to get crushed electorally."
    --No1Marauder

    Donald Trump cares most about himself, much less about the Republican Party.
    I would not be too surprised if he follows LBJ's example (Johnson, not James) and does not run in 2020.
    True, but the elected officials of the Republican party care more about themselves than Donald Trump and they hold his fate in their hands ultimately. IF they decide he is too much of a liability, they will force him out one way or the other.
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