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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    12 Nov '15 18:39
    https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

    Not only would I vote for him in the primary, but I also think he's the strongest GOP candidate in the general.

    I am somewhat surprised that the market has him favored against the field though. I don't think I'd buy him at 53%.
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    12 Nov '15 19:07
    Here's his problem:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/john-mccain-charles-schumer-marco-rubio-robert-menendez-dick-durbin
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    12 Nov '15 20:19
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Here's his problem:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/john-mccain-charles-schumer-marco-rubio-robert-menendez-dick-durbin
    That's a problem for him with Republican primary voters but an asset in the general election.http://www.pollingreport.com/immigration.htm
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    12 Nov '15 20:26
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://www.predictit.org/Market/1233/Who-will-win-the-2016-Republican-presidential-nomination

    Not only would I vote for him in the primary, but I also think he's the strongest GOP candidate in the general.

    I am somewhat surprised that the market has him favored against the field though. I don't think I'd buy him at 53%.
    The powers in the party don't want to suicidally run undisciplined neophytes like Trump or Carson or well known ideological fanatics like Cruz. The name sinks Jeb. Really if they want to have any chance of winning its Rubio or Kasich and the latter hasn't gained much traction with his Reaganite Republican views (they are too "socialist" now for the GOP). Marco is a nice pretty boy too,
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    12 Nov '15 20:45
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The powers in the party don't want to suicidally run undisciplined neophytes like Trump or Carson or well known ideological fanatics like Cruz. The name sinks Jeb. Really if they want to have any chance of winning its Rubio or Kasich and the latter hasn't gained much traction with his Reaganite Republican views (they are too "socialist" now for the GOP). Marco is a nice pretty boy too,
    The problem the powers in the party have is that half the GOP base would view a Jeb or Kasich win as tantamount to a Hillary win. The split in the party is fatal I think.
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    12 Nov '15 21:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    The problem the powers in the party have is that half the GOP base would view a Jeb or Kasich win as tantamount to a Hillary win. The split in the party is fatal I think.
    If it persists in national elections, it may well be. Kasich was able to win crushingly in Ohio by winning independents and even a substantial number of Democrats; virtually all of the candidates ideologically acceptable to the Republican base have virtually no chance of doing so as the positions the base insists on are far out of touch with such constituencies.

    EDIT: Everyone would concede I imagine that Ohio is a critical swing state.

    In 2014, Kasich carried 69% of Independents and 25% of Democrats. He even got 26% of blacks, self-described liberals and people who approved of Obama's job performance!http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/2014/OH/governor/exitpoll

    A Republican candidate who could approach anywhere near those figures in 2016 wins in a landslide.
  7. 12 Nov '15 23:14
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    The problem the powers in the party have is that half the GOP base would view a Jeb or Kasich win as tantamount to a Hillary win. The split in the party is fatal I think.
    That's a shame, if true, cause Hillary is easily beatable.
  8. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Nov '15 04:14
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    The powers in the party don't want to suicidally run undisciplined neophytes like Trump or Carson or well known ideological fanatics like Cruz. The name sinks Jeb. Really if they want to have any chance of winning its Rubio or Kasich and the latter hasn't gained much traction with his Reaganite Republican views (they are too "socialist" now for the GOP). Marco is a nice pretty boy too,
    I like Cruz better than Rubio, but I will defintely be voting for Trump to kick out the illegal aliens and to make America great again.
  9. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    13 Nov '15 04:17 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    If it persists in national elections, it may well be. Kasich was able to win crushingly in Ohio by winning independents and even a substantial number of Democrats; virtually all of the candidates ideologically acceptable to the Republican base have virtually no chance of doing so as the positions the base insists on are far out of touch with such constit ...[text shortened]... Republican candidate who could approach anywhere near those figures in 2016 wins in a landslide.
    Kasich has no chance of winning the Republican primary in my opinion. Kasich was lucky that Ohio struck oil as Trump pointed out. It has also been pointed out by Fox News that Kasich sounded more like he was in a Demcrat debate rather than a Republican debate. However, I would certainly vote for Kasich over Hillary Clinton.
  10. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    13 Nov '15 16:32
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I like Cruz better than Rubio, but I will defintely be voting for Trump to kick out the illegal aliens and to make America great again.
    I must admit, I've been pleasantly surprised by The Donald. He may be an arrogant blowhard, but his economic ideas (what few I've heard) are not too bad. I'm not in love with his ideas of letting working class wages stagnate while executive pay skyrockets, but what can you expect from a republican? Of all the GOP candidates, I like Trump the best.
  11. 13 Nov '15 19:08
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    The problem the powers in the party have is that half the GOP base would view a Jeb or Kasich win as tantamount to a Hillary win. The split in the party is fatal I think.
    If Rubio is elected and turns into another Jeb, it will be the end of the GOP establishment
  12. 13 Nov '15 19:11
    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/04/poll-carson-beats-clinton-10-points-tied-among-women-voters/

    Carson beats Hillary by 10 points in the polls.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 Nov '15 19:17
    SPIC POWER
  14. 13 Nov '15 22:35
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    Kasich has no chance of winning the Republican primary in my opinion. Kasich was lucky that Ohio struck oil as Trump pointed out. It has also been pointed out by Fox News that Kasich sounded more like he was in a Demcrat debate rather than a Republican debate. However, I would certainly vote for Kasich over Hillary Clinton.
    Most people leaning Republican have candidate preference, but almost all will settle for less than their perfect to be sure H. Clinton doesn't end up President.

    The primary process is to identify the strongest possible candidate. I'll go with the result, even if it were Kasich, which is an extremely long shot.
  15. 13 Nov '15 22:59
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Here's his problem:

    http://bigstory.ap.org/photo/john-mccain-charles-schumer-marco-rubio-robert-menendez-dick-durbin
    To some extent that is also a weakness of Cruz. I'm not sure where Carson stands on this, but I suspect he's squishy too.

    Someone has to put a stop to illegal immigration, and after that set rational quotas for legal.