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    12 Apr '16 20:03
    Where is the media on these facts? They called Trump a racist, a clown, and you name it. But I thought the press was supposed to look up the facts? Here is blatant Hippocracy as we should come to expect from the media.
    "SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!" - McCarran Walter Act
    Posted: Mar 29th, 2016 - 1:20 pm


    Interesting Bit of Legislative History - McCarran Walter Act of 1952

    Note: McCarran and Walter were Democrats. This act was created in 1952 and used by Carter in 1979 …

    Trump was recently severely criticized for suggesting that the U.S. should limit or temporarily suspend the immigration of certain ethnic groups, nationalities, and even people of certain religions (Muslims). The criticisms condemned such a suggestion as, among other things, being “Un-American,” dumb, stupid, reckless, dangerous and racist. Congressmen and Senators swore that they would never allow such legislation, and the president called such a prohibition on immigration unconstitutional.

    As Gomer Pyle would say, “Surprise, Surprise !!!” It seems that the selective immigration ban is already law and has been applied on several occasions. Known as the McCarran-Walter Act, the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952 allows for the "Suspension of entry or imposition of restrictions by president. Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.”

    The act was utilized by Jimmy Carter, no less, in 1979 to keep Iranians out of the United States, but he actually did more. He made all Iranian students already here check in, and then he deported a bunch. Seven thousand were found in violation of their visas, 15,000 Iranians were forced to leave the United States in 1979.

    It is of note that the act requires that an applicant for immigration must be of good moral character and "attached to the principles of the Constitution.”

    Since the Quran forbids Muslims to swear allegiance to the U.S. Constitution, technically, all Muslims should be refused immigration.

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    http://library.uwb.edu/static/USimmigration/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html


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  2. Subscriberno1marauder
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    12 Apr '16 20:38
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Where is the media on these facts? They called Trump a racist, a clown, and you name it. But I thought the press was supposed to look up the facts? Here is blatant Hippocracy as we should come to expect from the media.
    "SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!" - McCarran Walter Act
    Posted: Mar 29th, 2016 - 1:20 pm


    Interesting Bit of Legislative History - McC ...[text shortened]... ion/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html


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    It is ironic that McCarran sought to stop Eastern Europeans from entering the US (almost all Christians) in order to save "the last hope of Western civilization". Quoting this demented law in order to justify further demented policy is laughable; anyone who thinks every member of a religion can be banned from entering the US isn't "attached to the principles of the Constitution" themselves.
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    12 Apr '16 20:42
    As evidence of said "Hippocracy (sic)," which people who criticized Trump's proposal have also supported the 1952 McCarren-Warren act (which has since been amended on several occasions)?
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    12 Apr '16 20:49
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Where is the media on these facts? They called Trump a racist, a clown, and you name it. But I thought the press was supposed to look up the facts? Here is blatant Hippocracy as we should come to expect from the media.
    "SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!" - McCarran Walter Act
    Posted: Mar 29th, 2016 - 1:20 pm


    Interesting Bit of Legislative History - McC ...[text shortened]... ion/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html


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    In the first iteration of Trump's Muslim exclusion plan, no Muslims would be allowed entry. This would include US citizens who are Muslims, who travel from the US to other countries. I have two Muslim friends, a couple, who travel annually to Pakistan and India to visit their parents and relatives. They were dismayed.There are many in their shoes, plus non-citizen Muslims holding H1b status, who want to do the same thing. This ready - fire - aim approach of Trump's went far beyond the McCarran -Walter Act and is typical of his half-baked pronouncements.
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    12 Apr '16 21:56
    Originally posted by JS357
    In the first iteration of Trump's Muslim exclusion plan, no Muslims would be allowed entry. This would include US citizens who are Muslims, who travel from the US to other countries. I have two Muslim friends, a couple, who travel annually to Pakistan and India to visit their parents and relatives. They were dismayed.There are many in their shoes, plus non-cit ...[text shortened]... rump's went far beyond the McCarran -Walter Act and is typical of his half-baked pronouncements.
    What he said has been twisted and misreported. What he said was let's put a stop to it UNTIL we can vet these people better.
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    12 Apr '16 22:10
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    What he said has been twisted and misreported. What he said was let's put a stop to it UNTIL we can vet these people better.
    So point us to the YouTube showing exactly what he said rather than us relying on what you report him to have said.

    The problem is your OP essentially does not deny that he wanted to restrict immigration based on a particular religion so are you misreporting too?

    They called Trump a racist, a clown, and you name it. But I thought the press was supposed to look up the facts? Here is blatant Hippocracy as we should come to expect from the media.
    And pointing out that your country has had racist laws does not get Trump off the hook.
    What is the hypocrisy? What has the media done that they criticised Trump for?
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    12 Apr '16 22:131 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Where is the media on these facts? They called Trump a racist, a clown, and you name it. But I thought the press was supposed to look up the facts? Here is blatant Hippocracy as we should come to expect from the media.
    "SURPRISE, SURPRISE!!!" - McCarran Walter Act
    Posted: Mar 29th, 2016 - 1:20 pm


    Interesting Bit of Legislative History - McC ...[text shortened]... ion/1952_immigration_and_nationality_act.html


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    1) There's no hypocrisy here. Had a Democratic president wanted to ban gay marriage, is it hypocritical of Democrats in 2016 to think this is wrong? Your claim of hypocrisy makes no sense.

    2) The ban was against people from a nation the U.S. had imposed sanctions against. While that still doesn't make it right, it's far from comparable to banning anyone who claims to be part of a religion that includes about 3 billion people, from all parts of the world. In other words, Trump wants to ban people based on their beliefs. That's far worse than banning people from a specific nation because of a hostage crisis.
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    12 Apr '16 22:131 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    What he said has been twisted and misreported. What he said was let's put a stop to it UNTIL we can vet these people better.
    Press release BY Trump:

    (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on. According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim population. Most recently, a poll from the Center for Security Policy released data showing "25% of those polled agreed that violence against Americans here in the United States is justified as a part of the global jihad" and 51% of those polled, "agreed that Muslims in America should have the choice of being governed according to Shariah." Shariah authorizes such atrocities as murder against non-believers who won't convert, beheadings and more unthinkable acts that pose great harm to Americans, especially women.

    Mr. Trump stated, "Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine. Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in Jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life. If I win the election for President, we are going to Make America Great Again." - Donald J. Trump

    https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-statement-on-preventing-muslim-immigration

    The line that I bolded would have denied entry to ALL Muslims, including returning US citizens. He modified his stance later. Do you deny this?
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    12 Apr '16 22:30
    Originally posted by JS357
    Press release BY Trump:

    (New York, NY) December 7th, 2015, -- [b]Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.
    According to Pew Research, among others, there is great hatred towards Americans by large segments of the Muslim populatio ...[text shortened]... to ALL Muslims, including returning US citizens. He modified his stance later. Do you deny this?[/b]
    Your making my point. What I hear on media talk shows is Trump wants to permanently stop Muslim immigration. I have heard him say until we can better vet them and find out what is going on.
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    12 Apr '16 22:34
    Originally posted by vivify
    1) There's no hypocrisy here. Had a Democratic president wanted to ban gay marriage, is it hypocritical of Democrats in 2016 to think this is wrong? Your claim of hypocrisy makes no sense.

    2) The ban was against people from a nation the U.S. had imposed sanctions against. While that still doesn't make it right, it's far from comparable to banning anyo ...[text shortened]... [/i]. That's far worse than banning people from a specific nation because of a hostage crisis.
    No, he wants to ban people that want to kill Americans.
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    12 Apr '16 22:411 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    No, he wants to ban people that want to kill Americans.
    Yes, all three billion of them.
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    12 Apr '16 23:02
    Originally posted by vivify
    Yes, all three billion of them.
    Read what you answered, then your answer.

    BTW, the US is not obliged to allow anyone to immigrate. We can limit it in any manner we wish, or stop it altogether.
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    13 Apr '16 00:001 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Read what you answered, then your answer.

    BTW, the US is not obliged to allow anyone to immigrate. We can limit it in any manner we wish, or stop it altogether.
    He said Trump wants to ban those that hate America; Trump said he wants to ban Muslims. Hence, the 3 billion comment.

    BTW, your statement about not obliging immigration is absolutely un-American. Conservatives like you prove those checkbaiter complained about in the OP were actually right about Trump and his supporters.
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    13 Apr '16 00:05
    Originally posted by vivify
    1) There's no hypocrisy here. Had a Democratic president wanted to ban gay marriage, is it hypocritical of Democrats in 2016 to think this is wrong? Your claim of hypocrisy makes no sense.

    2) The ban was against people from a nation the U.S. had imposed sanctions against. While that still doesn't make it right, it's far from comparable to banning anyo ...[text shortened]... [/i]. That's far worse than banning people from a specific nation because of a hostage crisis.
    It still is a suggestion of temporary stoppage, not a permanent ban. Why not "figure things out"?
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    13 Apr '16 00:09
    Originally posted by vivify
    He said Trump wants to ban those that hate America; Trump said he wants to ban Muslims. Hence, the 3 billion comment.

    BTW, your statement about not obliging immigration is absolutely un-American. Conservatives like you prove those checkbaiter complained about in the OP were actually right Trump and his supporters.
    "BTW, your statement about not obliging immigration is absolutely un-American. "

    Where is the right to immigrate in the Constitution? For a nation with lots of open land, and a small population, unlimited immigration made sense (although not to the Indians). America is like any other sovereign country. Most are much more restrictive on immigration than America. Just try Mexico for example.
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