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  1. 23 Jan '10 02:48 / 1 edit
    Martin Luther King, Jr's speech, "Beyond Vietnam".

    http://www.mlkonline.net/vietnam.html

    http://www.learnoutloud.com/Free-Audio-Video/History/American-History/Beyond-Vietnam/7369
  2. 23 Jan '10 02:49
    he talks nice but some of it sounds wrong.

    i.e., as far as you can go in saying less dominoes falling is better, and there is no perfect war.
  3. 23 Jan '10 05:22
    what're the chances of MLK having been the first black president?
  4. 23 Jan '10 19:44
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    what're the chances of MLK having been the first black president?
    Absolutely zero.
  5. 23 Jan '10 20:50
    if he hadn't been assassinated, still zero?

    let's use age as a weighting factor in charisma, and use charisma as a weighting factor in election results.

    apparent/relative age and charisma are subjective, so only actual age is listed below.

    age at death in 1968, 39

    age at election years, opponents, and their ages

    1968 39 Nixon (55) Humphrey (57)
    1972 43 Nixon (59) McGovern (50)
    1976 47 Carter (52) Ford (63)
    1980 51 Reagan (69) Carter (56)
    1984 55 Reagan (73) Mondale (56)
    1988 59 Bush (64) Dukakis (55)
    1992 63 Clinton (46) Bush (68)
    1996 67 Clinton (50) Dole (73)
    2000 71 Bush (54) Gore (52)
    2004 75 Bush (58) Kerry (61)
    2008 79 Obama (47) McCain (72)

    what the heck!?! McGovern's still alive!!!
  6. 23 Jan '10 20:51
    i think he could have beaten nixon in nixon's second term, carter, or bush sr.
  7. 23 Jan '10 20:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    i think he could have beaten nixon in nixon's second term, carter, or bush sr.
    He never held an elected office and you don't start in politics by running for president.

    Some of the embarrassing details of his personal life would also prevent his running.

    Also he wasn't liked much by a lot of people. You're probably not old enough to remember.
  8. 23 Jan '10 22:00
    yeah, i'm not old enough to remember.

    but Obama has BARELY held elective offices prior to being elected president.

    there's not any president who everyone liked.

    maybe he couldn't have beaten Nixon. civil rights was still too raw. but maybe Carter, or Bush Sr. some of the weaker candidates.
  9. 23 Jan '10 22:08
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    yeah, i'm not old enough to remember.

    but Obama has BARELY held elective offices prior to being elected president.

    there's not any president who everyone liked.

    maybe he couldn't have beaten Nixon. civil rights was still too raw. but maybe Carter, or Bush Sr. some of the weaker candidates.
    No. You're being very naive.
  10. 23 Jan '10 22:23
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    yeah, i'm not old enough to remember.

    but Obama has BARELY held elective offices prior to being elected president.

    there's not any president who everyone liked.

    maybe he couldn't have beaten Nixon. civil rights was still too raw. but maybe Carter, or Bush Sr. some of the weaker candidates.
    MLK could never have been President of the U.S. That was a very different time. If Obama had run for office in that time period you can bet he would of shared the same fate.
  11. 25 Jan '10 18:01
    i made a new thread for this topic:

    Thread 125014
  12. 25 Jan '10 18:03
    P.S., i guess the main question (posted on the new thread also) is:

    could racism have declined and liberal thought increased enough for MLK to have been elected before he got too old to be a contender?