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  1. 28 Aug '13 23:17 / 6 edits
    A proposed premise in our two-party system is that a moderate must leave the Republican Party, no matter what negatives exist in the Democrat Party, because religious fundamentalists will never relinquish their control of the Republican Party, at the national level or at the local level.

    A moderate Republican, especially a free thinker and one who values social freedom and science (and is not interested in a theocracy), is definitely better off in the Democrat Party, working from within to change the Democrat Party more toward the moderate and conservative values and issues they find important.

    Indeed, the Republican Party is a lost cause, unfortunately. I miss the days of moderate and rational Republicans with stature who had significant influence on the Republican Party.

    An incredibly damning aspect of the Republican Party, which has become extreme fringe right with no end in sight, is that Republican Presidents will appoint judges to the federal judiciary who allow government to impose a fundamentalist religion on us.

    Again, we do not want a theocracy. We want social freedom. We want science textbooks in science class that teach science. We know the Earth has been here more than 6000 years, and that dinosaurs and humans did not exist at the same time. We know that climate change is real and man-made.

    We want freedom of religion. Not interested in a government religion. We want to stop the Republican War on Women. Please moderate Republicans, join us.
  2. 28 Aug '13 23:21 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A proposed premise is that a moderate must leave the Republican Party, no matter what negatives exist in the Democrat Party, because religious fundamentalists will never relinquish their control of the Republican Party, at the national level or at the local level.

    A moderate Republican, especially a free thinker and one who values social freedom and scie ...[text shortened]... e same time. We want to stop the Republican War on Women. Please moderate Republicans, join us.
    have you ever tried a theocracy? for that you need rule by God, does the republican party claim to represent God, to rule on his behalf like the ancient Kings of Israel? Don't you have freedom of religion already, can you not simply go into the desert today and start a southern death cult if you wanted? What social freedoms are the republican party stopping you from enjoying? Much better would be to petition for social justice rather than social freedom.
  3. 28 Aug '13 23:24
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    ". . . does the republican party claim to represent God, to rule on his behalf like the ancient Kings of Israel?"
    Yes
  4. 28 Aug '13 23:25
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    have you ever tried a theocracy?
    I see the theocracy in Iran, and the Republican Party would love to have that kind of religion-imposed theocracy.
  5. 28 Aug '13 23:26
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Yes
    LOL, evidence please.
  6. 28 Aug '13 23:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by moon1969
    I see the theocracy in Iran, and the Republican Party would love to have that kind of religion-imposed theocracy.
    was not the last presidential republican candidate a Mormon, you might get lucky or probably unlucky depending who you ask and he would implement polygamy, thus increasing social freedoms rather than curtailing them, for its presently unlawful, is it not?
  7. 28 Aug '13 23:51
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    was not the last presidential republican candidate a Mormon, you might get lucky or probably unlucky depending who you ask and he would implement polygamy, thus increasing social freedoms rather than curtailing them, for its presently unlawful, is it not?
    Most fundamentalist Christians, such as those in the Republican Party, overall reject Mormonism.
  8. 28 Aug '13 23:52
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    LOL, evidence please.
    You must not pay attention to the massive number of statements from political leaders, and the rank and file, in the Republican Party.
  9. 29 Aug '13 01:04
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A proposed premise in our two-party system is that a moderate must leave the Republican Party, no matter what negatives exist in the Democrat Party, because religious fundamentalists will never relinquish their control of the Republican Party, at the national level or at the local level.

    A moderate Republican, especially a free thinker and one who values ...[text shortened]... nt religion. We want to stop the Republican War on Women. Please moderate Republicans, join us.
    You miss the days when the Republicans were simply not relevant. When Republicans groveled to get invited to DC cocktail parties to hobnob with Ted Kennedy and Cris Dodd.
  10. 29 Aug '13 01:06
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A proposed premise in our two-party system is that a moderate must leave the Republican Party, no matter what negatives exist in the Democrat Party, because religious fundamentalists will never relinquish their control of the Republican Party, at the national level or at the local level.

    A moderate Republican, especially a free thinker and one who values ...[text shortened]... nt religion. We want to stop the Republican War on Women. Please moderate Republicans, join us.
    You list a whole lot of we wants, that are really I wants. Everyone doesn't agree with you on everything.
  11. 29 Aug '13 03:25
    Originally posted by normbenign
    You list a whole lot of we wants, that are really I wants. Everyone doesn't agree with you on everything.
    You must living under a rock or are blind. See the Democrat Party.
  12. 29 Aug '13 04:32
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    have you ever tried a theocracy? for that you need rule by God, does the republican party claim to represent God, to rule on his behalf like the ancient Kings of Israel? Don't you have freedom of religion already, can you not simply go into the desert today and start a southern death cult if you wanted? What social freedoms are the republican party ...[text shortened]... from enjoying? Much better would be to petition for social justice rather than social freedom.
    A theocracy is never a rule by God (so far) it is a rule by humans who have power to "speak for Him".
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Aug '13 12:43
    Originally posted by moon1969
    A proposed premise in our two-party system is that a moderate must leave the Republican Party, no matter what negatives exist in the Democrat Party, because religious fundamentalists will never relinquish their control of the Republican Party, at the national level or at the local level.

    A moderate Republican, especially a free thinker and one who values ...[text shortened]... nt religion. We want to stop the Republican War on Women. Please moderate Republicans, join us.
    While there's some merit to your underlying point, it's the nauseating hyperbole from left wingers like like "war on women" and this nonsensical idea that the Republican party wants a theocracy that is keeping us moderate republicans from joining with anything associated with said left wingers.
  14. 29 Aug '13 13:03 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    While there's some merit to your underlying point, it's the nauseating hyperbole from left wingers like like "war on women" and this nonsensical idea that the Republican party wants a theocracy that is keeping us moderate republicans from joining with anything associated with said left wingers.
    The GOP is not in step with the majority of US citizens of voting age. They are actively trying to disenfranchise voters with onerous voting rules and regs that will make it much more difficult for poor people, old people and students to vote. Romney in his famous gaff at a fund raiser made it clear the party knows they are in trouble. They try to play the God card by making Christians feel they will go to hell if they vote for a Dem due to stands on abortion on gay rights. And yes, the GOP has been in favor of legislation that will turn back the clock on a woman's protection from domestic violence, rights to contraception and the right to an abortion. Some call it a War on Women. it's a more apt term than the War on Terrorism. The one Republican politician who is most likely able to grab the presidency is Chris Christy and the GOP hates him. The fact is, the Dems have a higher percentage of college educated members. The GOP is most attractive to those with limited education who are easily swayed by religious threats from the pulpit.
  15. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Aug '13 13:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Phranny
    The GOP is not in step with the majority of US citizens of voting age. They are actively trying to disenfranchise voters with onerous voting rules and regs that will make it much more difficult for poor people, old people and students to vote. Romney in his famous gaff at a fund raiser made it clear the party knows they are in trouble. They try to play th ve to those with limited education who are easily swayed by religious threats from the pulpit.
    I'm sorry if this sounds like a flame, but most of that is BS.

    ===The GOP is not in step with the majority of US citizens of voting age. ===

    This statement I agree with.

    ===They are actively trying to disenfranchise voters with onerous voting rules and regs that will make it much more difficult for poor people, old people and students to vote.===

    Voter ID rules may impact poor people and old people (not sure about students) disproportionately and may or may not be good ideas, but to say that they "disenfranchise" people is scaremongering. They don't disenfranchise anyone who is willing to take the step of getting a government issued photo ID which is generally free or cheap. Preventing voter fraud is obviously a legitimate state interest. You want to argue that voter fraud is not a serious enough problem to warrant voter ID laws? Fine. But don't cloak this self-serving position in moral outrage.

    ===They try to play the God card by making Christians feel they will go to hell if they vote for a Dem due to stands on abortion on gay rights. ===

    Most Republicans don't do this. Maybe a few religious leaders do, but this is not a GOP plank and you and everyone else here knows it.

    ===And yes, the GOP has been in favor of legislation that will turn back the clock on a woman's protection from domestic violence, rights to contraception and the right to an abortion. ===

    Ummm, no. Supporting abortion rights (as I do, to a limited extent) is all well and good, but to imply that the other side (supporting the right of the unborn to live) is completely without merit and accusing that position as being anti-women is self-evidently absurd to all but the choir. I have no idea what the reference to contraception is about. As for domestic violence, no state allows domestic violence. Whether there needs to be a special redundant federal law on the subject of questionable constitutionality is an open question, but the naysayers are not necessarily "anti-women."

    The rest of the ad hominem nonsense is beneath comment. Argue the positions, not your baseless speculation as to the motivations underlying those positions.