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  1. 13 Feb '13 17:38
    What percentage of total taxes should go to paying for the government itself?

    When I say that I mean all moneys spent on empoyees, be it salary, perks, insurance or retirement. Shouldn't the money spent on paying for the government itself be limited to a maximum percentage of taxes?

    Just wondering.
  2. 13 Feb '13 18:02
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What percentage of total taxes should go to paying for the government itself?

    When I say that I mean all moneys spent on empoyees, be it salary, perks, insurance or retirement. Shouldn't the money spent on paying for the government itself be limited to a maximum percentage of taxes?

    Just wondering.
    Would you count employees of a company that is doing contract work for the government, as government employees? This is a way that government could get around the limitation.

    What about companies that have a contract with the city such as a garbage collection company, when the company bills residents directly? (The company also picks up garbage at city government facilities, city and county parks, schools, etc.)
  3. 13 Feb '13 18:07
    Originally posted by JS357
    Would you count employees of a company that is doing contract work for the government, as government employees? This is a way that government could get around the limitation.

    What about companies that have a contract with the city such as a garbage collection company, when the company bills residents directly? (The company also picks up garbage at city government facilities, city and county parks, schools, etc.)
    Nope, not companies that win contracts from the government. I'm talking about federal employees, all employees of every branch of the federal government.

    Perhaps there should be a max tax percent for contract labor too. I think they should be different categories, but sure that would be interesting too.
  4. 13 Feb '13 18:19
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What percentage of total taxes should go to paying for the government itself?
    Whatever percentage would maximize the standard of living in a society.

    How much you spend is not relevant, it's how efficiently you spend it.
  5. 13 Feb '13 19:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Nope, not companies that win contracts from the government. I'm talking about federal employees, all employees of every branch of the federal government.

    Perhaps there should be a max tax percent for contract labor too. I think they should be different categories, but sure that would be interesting too.
    I think you would need to limit contracted work, otherwise the federal budget-meisters would just shift work to contractors when they hit the limit.
  6. 13 Feb '13 19:51
    Originally posted by JS357
    I think you would need to limit contracted work, otherwise the federal budget-meisters would just shift work to contractors when they hit the limit.
    As I said, sure.
  7. Standard member bill718
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    13 Feb '13 22:12 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What percentage of total taxes should go to paying for the government itself?

    When I say that I mean all moneys spent on empoyees, be it salary, perks, insurance or retirement. Shouldn't the money spent on paying for the government itself be limited to a maximum percentage of taxes?

    Just wondering.
    Interesting idea, but what happens if (Lord forbid) America get's in a do or die war? Do we stop paying all those soldiers who defend us if the payroll exceeds the allowed amount? What about the FBI, CIA and others doing their security jobs? They are government employees too.

    I agree there is too much government waste, but be careful of painting too many broad strokes....
  8. 13 Feb '13 22:39
    Originally posted by bill718
    Interesting idea, but what happens if (Lord forbid) America get's in a do or die war? Do we stop paying all those soldiers who defend us if the payroll exceeds the allowed amount? What about the FBI, CIA and others doing their security jobs? They are government employees too.

    I agree there is too much government waste, but be careful of painting too many broad strokes....
    You should definitely have a pecking order. There are a ton of politicians and their subordinates who could stand to do with a pay cut.
  9. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    13 Feb '13 23:19
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You should definitely have a pecking order. There are a ton of politicians and their subordinates who could stand to do with a pay cut.
    I agree. Let's start with Congress. Many of them are against any tax payer supported healthcare. Let's see what happens when we strip them of their taxpayer supported health benefits! (I bet they'll start singing a different tune!)
  10. 13 Feb '13 23:21
    Originally posted by bill718
    I agree. Let's start with Congress. Many of them are against any tax payer supported healthcare. Let's see what happens when we strip them of their taxpayer supported health benefits! (I bet they'll start singing a different tune!)
    You don't know how rich Congressmen are do you? With power comes money!
  11. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    13 Feb '13 23:43 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You don't know how rich Congressmen are do you? With power comes money!
    Actually I do have a pretty good idea how rich they are. Some are of rather modest means, and some are very wealthy. The point is... it's pretty hypocriticial to warn us that taxpayer supported health benefits are a "socialist" program, and an example of government waste, while using taxpayer supported benefits year after year without a second thought about it. If our lawmakers want to talk the talk...they can walk the walk!!
  12. 13 Feb '13 23:58
    Half of them are millionaires.

    http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/11/congressional-members-personal-weal.html
  13. Standard member sasquatch672
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    14 Feb '13 01:33
    Originally posted by bill718
    Interesting idea, but what happens if (Lord forbid) America get's in a do or die war? Do we stop paying all those soldiers who defend us if the payroll exceeds the allowed amount? What about the FBI, CIA and others doing their security jobs? They are government employees too.

    I agree there is too much government waste, but be careful of painting too many broad strokes....
    I used to work for the government. I worked in the small command of the Navy that it recognized as its most business-oriented command. We still had, conservatively, 40% waste.

    I don't know which is worse - that CIA and FBI would have that much waste, or that they would be rabidly attentive to their jobs. I will ask this question - how much urgency do you have when you know you won't get fired?

    Just as suburbia has sprawled, American bureaucracy has sprawled. And caring, well-meaning managers, doing their jobs by looking after their people, perpetuate and exascerbate that sprawl.
  14. Standard member sasquatch672
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    14 Feb '13 01:40
    Originally posted by bill718
    I agree. Let's start with Congress. Many of them are against any tax payer supported healthcare. Let's see what happens when we strip them of their taxpayer supported health benefits! (I bet they'll start singing a different tune!)
    Stop. Just stop. This is what's going to happen - people are going to protect their narrow self interests until America goes down like the Hindenburg. "Let's take" from Congress is a nonstarter. We are well and truly screwed.
  15. 15 Feb '13 09:07
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You don't know how rich Congressmen are do you? With power comes money!
    Since the power comes from the people, the people can determine the pay of representatives as long as they care enough about it.