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  1. 20 May '14 01:29 / 2 edits
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra

    "Narendra Modi and the new face of India"
    --Pankaj Mishra (16 May 2014)

    "A transnational elite of rightwing Indians based in the US helped circulate
    an impression of (India as) an irresistibly 'emerging giant' ... Very quickly,
    the delusional notion that India was, as Foreign Affairs (my note: a
    Washington establishment foreign policy journal) proclaimed on its cover
    in 2006, a 'roaring capitalist success story', assumed an extraordinary
    persuasive power in India. ... Confronted with World Health Organization's
    extensive evidence about malnutrition in India, Panagariya, ardent patron of
    the emerging giant, argued that Indian children are genetically underweight."
    --Pankaj Mishra

    The Western media has been full of propaganda by right-wing Indians and
    Westerners, celebrating--usually with exaggeration--India's 'successes'
    under capitalism while downplaying or denying its many severe problems.

    "In an apparently ungovernable country, where many (Indians) revere the
    author of Mein Kampf (Hitler) for his tremendous will to power and organisation,
    he (Navendra Modi) has shrewdly deployed the idioms of management,
    national security, and civilisational glory."
    --Pankaj Mishra

    "The Jewish community in the US is alarmed by the slow emergence of
    Adolf Hitler as a popular role model in Indian business and management schools."
    --Bella Jaisinghani (6 November 2012, 'The Times of India' )

    If India were a predominantly Muslim country, then 'the Jewish community in
    the US' presumably would be more 'alarmed' by the reality that many educated
    Indians seem to admire Hitler for his exceptional qualities as a leader.
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    20 May '14 04:28
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra

    "Narendra Modi and the new face of India"
    --Pankaj Mishra (16 May 2014)

    "A transnational elite of rightwing Indians based in the US helped circulate
    an impression of (India as) an irresistibly 'emerging giant' ... Very quickly,
    the delusional notion that India was, as Fore ...[text shortened]... ity that many educated
    Indians seem to admire Hitler for his exceptional qualities as a leader.
    Leadership? Security? Civilizational glory?

    Hard to square that with Hitler's defeat and suicide, and the civilizational stain of the holocaust borne by Germany. I don't get it.
  3. 20 May '14 07:56 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra

    "Narendra Modi and the new face of India"
    --Pankaj Mishra (16 May 2014)

    "A transnational elite of rightwing Indians based in the US helped circulate
    an impression of (India as) an irresistibly 'emerging giant' ... Very quickly,
    the delusional notion that India was, as Fore ...[text shortened]... ity that many educated
    Indians seem to admire Hitler for his exceptional qualities as a leader.
    He has his base in Gujarat which was fairly recently the scene of some terrible Hindu and Muslim conflict over which he did nothing, that aside it seems that he won because of the inequality and corruption created by this so called 'roaring capitalist success' and thus he ran appealing to the populist vote and at the same time held promise to those who had created these policies that nothing much would change. Not a single western news source has mentioned his extreme right wing authoritarian roots and how he was governor of the state of Gujarat during the state riots in 2002 which saw trains being burned and mosques raised to the ground. I'd just like to add that I loathe the BBC for its insipid reporting of this event, its a toothless lion.
  4. 20 May '14 09:05
    I see CNN has a story on his role as chief minister of Gujarat during the riots.
  5. 20 May '14 10:16
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Not a single western news source has mentioned his extreme right wing authoritarian roots and how he was governor of the state of Gujarat during the state riots in 2002 which saw trains being burned and mosques raised to the ground. I'd just like to add that I loathe the BBC for its insipid reporting of this event, its a toothless lion.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27439146

    Many Muslims in India have been apprehensive of Mr Modi since the 2002 communal riots in Gujarat where more than 1,000, mostly Muslims, were killed by Hindu mobs. He was accused of doing little to stop the violence - allegations he has consistently denied.

    Mr Modi's status as an international pariah - cut off by the US and UK after the 2002 riots - came to an end in the last two years.

    He must now convince India's Muslims - the country's biggest minority community - and others that his Hindu nationalist party will not pursue an overtly majoritarian political and social ideology.

    He has reassured Muslims that they will be protected under his leadership, but some Hindu nationalist leaders reportedly made anti-Muslim speeches while campaigning for the election.
  6. 20 May '14 10:39
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-27439146

    Many Muslims in India have been apprehensive of Mr Modi since the 2002 communal riots in Gujarat where more than 1,000, mostly Muslims, were killed by Hindu mobs. He was accused of doing little to stop the violence - allegations he has consistently denied.

    Mr Modi's status as an international par ...[text shortened]... nationalist leaders reportedly made anti-Muslim speeches while campaigning for the election.
    BBC (spit ding!)
  7. 20 May '14 15:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    BBC (spit ding!)
    Well, the one Duchess posted above is from The Guardian - thus disproving your assertion that the Western media have been silent of this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra

    In A Suitable Boy, Vikram Seth writes with affection of a placid India's first general election in 1951, and the egalitarian spirit it momentarily bestowed on an electorate deeply riven by class and caste: "the great washed and unwashed public, sceptical and gullible", but all "endowed with universal adult suffrage". India's 16th general election this month, held against a background of economic jolts and titanic corruption scandals, and tainted by the nastiest campaign yet, announces a new turbulent phase for the country – arguably, the most sinister since its independence from British rule in 1947. Back then, it would have been inconceivable that a figure such as Narendra Modi, the Hindu nationalist chief minister of Gujarat accused, along with his closest aides, of complicity in crimes ranging from an anti-Muslim pogrom in his state in 2002 to extrajudicial killings, and barred from entering the US, may occupy India's highest political office.

    Modi is a lifelong member of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS), a paramilitary Hindu nationalist organisation inspired by the fascist movements of Europe, whose founder's belief that Nazi Germany had manifested "race pride at its highest" by purging the Jews is by no means unexceptional among the votaries of Hindutva, or "Hinduness". In 1948, a former member of the RSS murdered Gandhi for being too soft on Muslims. The outfit, traditionally dominated by upper-caste Hindus, has led many vicious assaults on minorities. A notorious executioner of dozens of Muslims in Gujarat in 2002 crowed that he had slashed open with his sword the womb of a heavily pregnant woman and extracted her foetus. Modi himself described the relief camps housing tens of thousands of displaced Muslims as "child-breeding centres".

    Such rhetoric has helped Modi sweep one election after another in Gujarat. A senior American diplomat described him, in cables disclosed by WikiLeaks, as an "insular, distrustful person" who "reigns by fear and intimidation"; his neo-Hindu devotees on Facebook and Twitter continue to render the air mephitic with hate and malice, populating the paranoid world of both have-nots and haves with fresh enemies – "terrorists", "jihadis", "Pakistani agents", "pseudo-secularists", "sickulars", "socialists" and "commies". Modi's own electoral strategy as prime ministerial candidate, however, has been more polished, despite his appeals, both dog-whistled and overt, to Hindu solidarity against menacing aliens and outsiders, such as the Italian-born leader of the Congress party, Sonia Gandhi, Bangladeshi "infiltrators" and those who eat the holy cow.

    Modi exhorts his largely young supporters – more than two-thirds of India's population is under the age of 35 – to join a revolution that will destroy the corrupt old political order and uproot its moral and ideological foundations while buttressing the essential framework, the market economy, of a glorious New India. In an apparently ungovernable country, where many revere the author of Mein Kampf for his tremendous will to power and organisation, he has shrewdly deployed the idioms of management, national security and civilisational glory. Boasting of his 56-inch chest, Modi has replaced Mahatma Gandhi, the icon of non-violence, with Vivekananda, the 19th-century Hindu revivalist who was obsessed with making Indians a "manly" nation.


    The whole article is worth reading.
  8. 20 May '14 15:17 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    Well, here's one from The Guardian - another example disproving your assertion that the Western media have been silent of this:

    http://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/16/what-next-india-pankaj-mishra

    In A Suitable Boy, Vikram Seth writes with affection of a placid India's first general election in 1951, and the egalitarian spirit it mome ...[text shortened]... ho was obsessed with making Indians a "manly" nation.

    The whole article is worth reading.
    well dear oh dear i am human after all and prone to aberration, who would have thought it? have you never made a mistake? guess not. I would read it but seeing that its you i will dismiss it nonchalantly with an air of indifference, too bad, it would have been worth it, probably.
  9. 20 May '14 15:29 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    well dear oh dear i am human after all and prone to aberration, who would have thought it? have you never made a mistake? guess not. I would read it but seeing that its you i will dismiss it nonchalantly with an air of indifference, too bad, it would have been worth it, probably.
    Er, it was originally posted by Duchess (apologies for the misleading heading previously - I had somehow got it on a separate window and thought it had been posted by a Facebook friend, forgetting it was how this thread started).

    That is, in fact, one of many mistakes I have made. But my impression is that there's been quite a bit of alarm in the West about Modi's Hindu nationalist leanings.

    Anyway, I performed the service of having posted specific material here, so I'll leave the original post where it is...

    And will now depart this site again, since I should not be posting here any more!
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    20 May '14 18:07
    Hindus ARE swastika using Aryans. Hinduism is closely related to worship of Thor, Jupiter, Taranis etc - the old pagan European religions.
  11. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 May '14 22:20
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    BBC (spit ding!)
    Are you trying to tell us you prefer to obtain factual reporting from CNN rather than the BBC? That is a curious perspective, without putting the BBC on quite as high a pedestal as it might wish.
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 May '14 22:31
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Hindus ARE swastika using Aryans. Hinduism is closely related to worship of Thor, Jupiter, Taranis etc - the old pagan European religions.
    Always interesting to see people make such claims. I am not entirely sure where you want to take that swastika reference or what you think it implies, but you clearly think it matters since you mention it. Hindus are 14% of the world's population.
    Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world.
    It is the third largest religion, with approximately 1 billion followers worldwide, 98 percent of whom live in the Indian subcontinent. After including Yoga followers, Hinduism has around 1.2 billion followers worldwide.
    The only official Hindu state in the world is Nepal . India is the most Hindu-populated nation, but it is officially secular.
    Many Hindus view all religions as one whole religion. The reason for this is due to the notion that Hindus don't believe that Hinduism is a religion in the first place. There is no one main prophet, no main scripture, no date of when the religion was created, and scripture uses the word Hindu. People who follow the Hindu faith don't generally preach their religion as the "one true religion" over other religions. It is generally taught that if one can find another path that works better, then it is fine to follow a different path, instead of a Hindu path.
    Whatever use Indian nationalists wish to make of Hinduism, it is as nationalists and not as Hindus. Remember that Modi took only about 31% (from memory) of the national vote in order to obtain his majority. Not every Hindu - not even most - can be said to agree with his views.
  13. 21 May '14 00:08 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan to robbiecarrobie
    Are you trying to tell us you prefer to obtain factual reporting from CNN rather than the BBC? That is a curious perspective, without putting the BBC on quite as high a pedestal as it might wish.
    If I recall correctly, RobbieCarrobie has a low opinion of the BBC largely because
    he thinks the BBC's unfair toward Scottish nationalism, which he supports.

    Personally, I would like to interpret India's election more as a vote against
    the long-ruling Indian National Congress (INC) ("it's time for a change at the
    top" ) than as a vote for the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP). On the other
    hand, many people who voted for Hitler did so more out of despair over
    Germany's problems and disgust at the political alternatives than out of
    their support for the complete NSDAP programme.

    Arundhati Roy believes that Narendra Modi's election is a tragedy.
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    21 May '14 02:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Always interesting to see people make such claims. I am not entirely sure where you want to take that swastika reference or what you think it implies, but you clearly think it matters since you mention it. Hindus are 14% of the world's population. [quote]Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world.
    It is the third largest religion, with approximately 1 bi ...[text shortened]... r to obtain his majority. Not every Hindu - not even most - can be said to agree with his views.
    You don't understand the connection between Hitler and swastikas? It's not hard to see that people who use swastikas might have some affinity for Hitler.

    Hindus are one branch of Indo European polytheism. The Hindu god Dyaus Pita is Zeus, and Jupiter, and Tyr, and Taranis, etc. It's the Heavenly Father our chariot riding barbaric ancestors worshipped during the glory days of Indo European prehistoric expansion.

    Its not surprising to see admiration for Hitler when there us so much commonality between the respective nationalists of Germany, India, Russia and even Mongolia. The Celtic and Roman crosses are modified swastikas. The swastika (a stylized chariot wheel) is an ancient symbol of militant ethnic nationalism for all these groups.
  15. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    23 May '14 17:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    You don't understand the connection between Hitler and swastikas? It's not hard to see that people who use swastikas might have some affinity for Hitler.

    Hindus are one branch of Indo European polytheism. The Hindu god Dyaus Pita is Zeus, and Jupiter, and Tyr, and Taranis, etc. It's the Heavenly Father our chariot riding barbaric ancestors wors ...[text shortened]... tylized chariot wheel) is an ancient symbol of militant ethnic nationalism for all these groups.
    I fear that you are mud-slinging. Hindus used swastikas a long time before Hitler came across them. You are making a logical error by assuming that Hitler had anything to do with that fact or that, because Hitler borrowed a symbol from them, they are in some way as a result all to be identified with Hitler. I am aware that Modi and some extreme nationalists in India have spoken positively about Hitler, which is disturbing, but I can only repeat what I wrote above:
    Whatever use Indian nationalists wish to make of Hinduism, it is as nationalists and not as Hindus. Remember that Modi took only about 31% (from memory) of the national vote in order to obtain his majority. Not every Hindu - not even most - can be said to agree with his views.