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  1. Subscriberno1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    In the Gazette
    22 Jun '04
    08 Feb '16 17:511 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The UN is a useless bureaucracy made up largely of predator nations, and the charter has no real authority.

    So called "sneak attacks" are often initiated knowing an attack is brewing, and that striking first gains an advantage. Perhaps eventually Israel's neighbors will all recognize its right to exist, and stop actions like sending in suicide bomber ...[text shortened]... raeli territory. Until that time, I support the right of Israel to aggressively defend herself.
    Israel is a member of the UN and has bound itself to the Charter. If he wishes to ignore it and dozens of Security Council resolutions (which are also legally binding) it should leave the UN or be expelled.

    What you mean is you support the "right" for every nation to unilaterally decide whether to attack another one based merely on paranoia. This reminds of an Abraham Lincoln quote regarding claims that a President could start a war based his own assertion of "self defense":

    Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such purpose, and you allow him to make war at pleasure. Study to see if you can fix any limit to his power in this respect, after having given him so much as you propose. If to-day he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him,--I see no probability of the British invading us"; but he will say to you, "Be silent: I see it, if you don't."

    Allowing Israel or any nation to wage aggressive war and seize territory is as inimical to international law as allowing the President to do so is contrary to Constitutional Law.
  2. Germany
    27 Oct '08
    08 Feb '16 18:06
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Oh hell yeah outside Morocco the jews are doing really swell all through the Middle Eastern Islamic countries, they are happy as pigs in chit, just like Christians are.
    Islam is an open and care free religion, very respectful of other religious philosophies.....when they aren't cutting the heads off of infidels that don't follow mohammed.
    Lower case "m" on mohammed was intentional.
    Hope I don't get hunted down and killed for it.
    The Ottoman Empire and the Arab caliphates preceding it, while certainly not secular, were multi-ethnic, multi-lingual and multi-religious, and since the time of the Arab conquests religious minorities were generally left to worship as they wished - however they did have to pay an additional tax (the Jizya) which prompted many to convert. Overall, Jews were better off in the Arab/Ottoman world than in Europe, where they were often brutally persecuted. The situation became worse for Jews after the fall of the Ottoman empire (which prompted more meddling by western powers), the formation of Israel and in particular its aggressive wars of conquest such as the Six-Day War.
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