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    17 Nov '16 19:36
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    You'll be in a psychiatric hospital before Hillary sees a jail cell.
    It's entirely possible.
    They killed Scalia, so what makes you think they can't make her go away?
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    17 Nov '16 19:39
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama was speaking to donors at a private fundraiser in California when he railed against former House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa for calling his administration corrupt.

    “Here’s a guy who called my administration perhaps the most corrupt in history — despite the fact that actually we have not had a major scandal in my administration,” he said! ...[text shortened]... on and an FBI investigation ensued. The company did not find a buyer and eventually closed down.
    Darrell Issa also tried flexing his Libertarian views that the US Postal Service should be privatized.

    He can't be run out of office soon enough for my tastes.
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    17 Nov '16 19:41
    Originally posted by whodey
    I can hardly wait for the Trump scandals.

    No oversight, no checks and balances, just ruling by edict and protected by the politicalizing of such entities as the DOJ and FBI.
    Sure you can, because they'll expose Hillary as a complete novice at scamming people.
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    17 Nov '16 20:581 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Darrell Issa also tried flexing his Libertarian views that the US Postal Service should be privatized.

    He can't be run out of office soon enough for my tastes.
    Is privatizing the postal service such a big deal? I mean, it's not going to make the mail any cheaper or anything, but there's no real need for the U.S. government to be handling postal services. I've always found it odd that the U.S. hasn't privatized the postal service but insist on keeping things that are ludicrously inefficient like private health insurance.
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    18 Nov '16 07:16
    The Obama administration bombed seven Muslim countries in a six-year period, a figure that could make Bush Jr. seem Muslim-friendly. According to Salon, Obama dropped 23,144 bombs on six countries in 2015, alone.

    As Salon notes:

    “As Salon stressed in a piece about the escalation toward the new war in Libya, the disastrous 2011 NATO bombing of Libya plunged the country into chaos. Today, in the aftermath, there is no functioning federal government, and large swaths of the country are now controlled by rivaled factions and extremist groups.

    “There are presently estimated to be 5,000 to 6,500 ISIS fighters in Libya. There were zero before the U.S.-backed war.” (emphasis added)

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-17/heres-why-trump-perfect-scapegoat-obamas-failures
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    18 Nov '16 14:43
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Sure you can, because they'll expose Hillary as a complete novice at scamming people.
    Hopefully she is better at it than e-mail.
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    19 Nov '16 08:05
    Redneck noise.
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    19 Nov '16 10:393 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Obama was speaking to donors at a private fundraiser in California when he railed against former House Oversight Committee Chair Darrell Issa for calling his administration corrupt.

    “Here’s a guy who called my administration perhaps the most corrupt in history — despite the fact that actually we have not had a major scandal in my administration,” he said! ...[text shortened]... on and an FBI investigation ensued. The company did not find a buyer and eventually closed down.
    Yes, President Obama will be known to many in America as that Kenyan born, Muslim who turned a super power America into a weak door mat for all the world to walk on, trashed the strong economy left to him by George W Bush, sought to give away the entire wealth of the rich to the undeserving scum that is the working class, provide healthcare for those lazy socialist perverts, who won't go and see their friendly insurance man, and was the most corrupt and dishonest President in history. I'm confident that President elect Trump will be a shining example of honesty, fidelity, sensitivity, and God inspired values that will make America "Great" again! 😴
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    19 Nov '16 10:51
    Originally posted by mchill
    Yes, President Obama will be known to many in America as that Kenyan born, Muslim who turned a super power America into a weak door mat for all the world to walk on, trashed the strong economy left to him by George W Bush, sought to give away the entire wealth of the rich to the undeserving scum that is the working class, provide healthcare for those lazy soc ...[text shortened]... sty, fidelity, sensitivity, and God inspired values that will make America "Great" again! 😴
    According to Bill Clinton, the ACA, which is the hallmark of the Obama administration, was a crazy scheme that is destroying the middle class.
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    19 Nov '16 12:491 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is privatizing the postal service such a big deal? I mean, it's not going to make the mail any cheaper or anything, but there's no real need for the U.S. government to be handling postal services. I've always found it odd that the U.S. hasn't privatized the postal service but insist on keeping things that are ludicrously inefficient like private health insurance.
    "Privatizing" anything is a big deal. It takes a government service, something that should rightfully belong to the "commons" and places it into the hands of a corporation, whose only motivation is profit. Quality *always* goes down after privatization. This is mainly because the employees no longer have pride in doing a good job.

    Look at the private prison system. Guards working at great risk to themselves, not given proper equipment to do their jobs, for barely more than minimum wage. Inmate health is not a priority. Inmate safety is not a priority.

    The US Postal Service delivers mail to every single address in America. This will become limited in a private system. The USPS is not subsidized in any way, all of their operating expense is covered by their own revenue sources. So there is no reason to privatize beyond just wanting to hand it over to the highest bidder. And there IS a reason for the government to be handling postal services. It is called the sanctity of the mail. The sanctity of the mail is not guaranteed in a private system, nor are they even obligated to deliver your mail. USPS employees are Federal employees, and as such, they take the same oath members of Congress take. They take their jobs very seriously, and are dedicated to the idea of "Every letter, every day." Opening and reading the mail and delaying the mail are Federal crimes. This would go away under a private system. Do you really want some minimum wage clone delivering your mail, taking out the cash you put in your grandson's birthday card, or just quitting his job because it's a crap job with no benefits, and leaving your mail God knows where?
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    19 Nov '16 12:541 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    According to Bill Clinton, the ACA, which is the hallmark of the Obama administration, was a crazy scheme that is destroying the middle class.
    You routinely make a joke out of everything Bill Clinton does, and yet you're willing to totally believe what he says about this, only because it fits your narrative?
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    19 Nov '16 14:52
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    You routinely make a joke out of everything Bill Clinton does, and yet you're willing to totally believe what he says about this, only because it fits your narrative?
    My narrative? My narrative is the truth Suzy. Too bad the truth is not part of your narrative.
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    19 Nov '16 15:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    My narrative? My narrative is the truth Suzy. Too bad the truth is not part of your narrative.
    We don't see enough truth on this forum. Do you have a few more Infowars conspiracy theories to balance out the "liberal" bias here?
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    19 Nov '16 15:24
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    "Privatizing" anything is a big deal. It takes a government service, something that should rightfully belong to the "commons" and places it into the hands of a corporation, whose only motivation is profit.
    Not all government services 'rightfully belong to the commons'. It is a matter of debate whether the mail is one of those.

    Quality *always* goes down after privatization. This is mainly because the employees no longer have pride in doing a good job.
    As someone who comes from a country that has had changes between highly government owned systems and privatised systems, that is simply not true. In my personal experience government employees show less pride in their work than non-government employees in general. That may be different in the US, but I think you need some evidence.

    Look at the private prison system. Guards working at great risk to themselves, not given proper equipment to do their jobs, for barely more than minimum wage. Inmate health is not a priority. Inmate safety is not a priority.
    Ouch. What a terrible example to use. And are you seriously saying that in government jails inmate safety and health is a priority?

    The US Postal Service delivers mail to every single address in America. This will become limited in a private system.
    Here in South Africa, there are several private companies that do, I believe deliver to every single address (or so they claim). Meanwhile I have had a letter from Zambia to Cape Town take six months via the government system. Those dedicated well paid government employees were on strike during some of that.

    It is called the sanctity of the mail. The sanctity of the mail is not guaranteed in a private system, nor are they even obligated to deliver your mail.
    It is not guaranteed in any system. It is only covered by laws, and those can be applied to any system.

    Opening and reading the mail and delaying the mail are Federal crimes. This would go away under a private system.
    Why?

    Do you really want some minimum wage clone delivering your mail, taking out the cash you put in your grandson's birthday card, or just quitting his job because it's a crap job with no benefits, and leaving your mail God knows where?
    To be honest, I hardly ever send mail and the vast majority of it goes by courier which is admittedly more expensive, but significantly more reliable. Personal letters go via email, which is notoriously insecure.
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    19 Nov '16 23:54
    Originally posted by sh76
    IRS Targeting and Fast and Furious, perhaps. The others are either not scandals or not really about Obama.
    The IRS "targeting" claim was BS:

    Something similar is happening with the “scandal” at the Internal Revenue Service as a result of congressional Republicans and like-minded commentators loudly and repeatedly suspecting, expecting and predicting (and less loudly, hoping) that evidence would be found showing that the White House had directed the IRS to treat political groups on the Right differentially and unfavorably in reviewing applications for tax-exempt status.
    Despite enormous investigative effort devoted to that end, not an iota of such evidence has been found. What has instead been found makes the scenario of White House direction all the more implausible, given that the groups whose applications had been flagged for closer scrutiny included not only the ones on the Right that had gotten all the publicity but also ones on the Left and various others that the administration would have no interest in undermining, such as organizations working to promote Obamacare.
    Not only has there been no evidence of White House involvement; there is not even any evidence of misconduct within the IRS. At most there was a slightly blunt and clumsy use of search terms to try to streamline the very difficult task of enforcing an ill-written law that says tax-exempt groups can do some politicking but this can’t be most of what they do.

    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/06/26/selling-the-fake-irs-scandal/
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