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  1. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    President Trump claims that the noise from windmills causes cancer. Any support for this?
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    Yes. Free energy makes corporate billionaires people sick.
  3. Subscriberchessturd
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    I walked up to one and they make more noise than people think. I was surprised how loud they are but I wouldn't say it is bothersome.

    Noise cancer?
    Stop hating on Trump just because he smokes weed and then says something funny/stupid.
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    03 Apr '19 18:55
    @handyandy said
    President Trump claims that the noise from windmills causes cancer. Any support for this?
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    @handyandy said
    President Trump claims that the noise from windmills causes cancer. Any support for this?
    "In 2005 Visser et al (9) first reported on noise exposure and cancer incidence, including breast cancer, in an ecological study of people living around Schiphol international airport in The Netherlands. The estimated relative risk of breast cancer was close to unity when compared to the reference population of The "Netherlands. Two similar studies of residents near the airport of Cologne-Bonn and residents in Bremen exposed to noise from road traffic, railroads, and aircrafts found increased risk of breast cancer in the subgroup with the highest estimated aircraft noise levels, although only adjusted for age and socioeconomic status (10, 11)."

    http://www.sjweh.fi/show_abstract.php?abstract_id=3681
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    "In 2005 Visser et al (9) first reported on noise exposure and cancer incidence, including breast cancer, in an ecological study of people living around Schiphol international airport in The Netherlands. The estimated relative risk of breast cancer was close to unity when compared to the reference population of The "Netherlands. Two similar studies of residents near t ...[text shortened]... or age and socioeconomic status (10, 11)."

    http://www.sjweh.fi/show_abstract.php?abstract_id=3681
    Read on:
    "Investigation of noise and breast cancer is at an early phase. There are only few studies, including somewhat inconsistent results both regarding type of noise exposure and breast cancer subtypes, and results have not been adjusted for the potential effect of exposure to traffic exhaust or light-at-night. Moreover, proposed biological mechanisms, such as short sleep or low levels of melatonin are not supported by epidemiologic results for breast cancer. Therefore, the current evidence for noise exposure and breast cancer appears inadequate. However, because exposure to ambient traffic noise is widespread and breast cancer is a frequent disease, new well-designed studies on this issue, including better adjustment for potential confounders, should be considered."
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    "In 2005 Visser et al (9) first reported on noise exposure and cancer incidence, including breast cancer, in an ecological study of people living around Schiphol international airport in The Netherlands. The estimated relative risk of breast cancer was close to unity when compared to the reference population of The "Netherlands. Two similar studies of residents near t ...[text shortened]... or age and socioeconomic status (10, 11)."

    http://www.sjweh.fi/show_abstract.php?abstract_id=3681
    You trumpkins know no shame, do you?

    Can you imagine if Obama had said this nonsense? You be all over him for it. You believe this nonsense just because it came out of the mouth of your "White Jesus", so it must be true, so you look everywhere for something, anything to back it up. If only you guys treated climate change like this.
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    @handyandy said
    Read on:
    "Investigation of noise and breast cancer is at an early phase. There are only few studies, including somewhat inconsistent results both regarding type of noise exposure and breast cancer subtypes, and results have not been adjusted for the potential effect of exposure to traffic exhaust or light-at-night. Moreover, proposed biological mechanisms, such as short sl ...[text shortened]... ies on this issue, including better adjustment for potential confounders, should be considered.[/b]"
    Scientist have noted a link...further study needs to be done. So not quite as crazy as you want it to be. At one time Einstein was thought to be crazy too.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    Scientist have noted a link...further study needs to be done. So not quite as crazy as you want it to be. At one time Einstein was thought to be crazy too.
    I don't "want it" to be anything. I just follow the facts.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    Scientist have noted a link...further study needs to be done. So not quite as crazy as you want it to be. At one time Einstein was thought to be crazy too.
    25 studies (per 2003) into windmills and noise have found no correlation between windmills and adverse health effects.

    Your information is from an editorial, which finds no evidence between noise and breast cancer.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5662233/

    The Danes have looked into noise and cancer (see link) and also found no correlation.

    The whole point in hand being that if noise is related to cancer, it wouldn’t be noise causing the cancer, but the noise affecting one’s sleep, causing a distruption in hormones, which would lead to cancer.

    And there is no link.

    It’s not there.
    End of.

    Your president is mad.

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    That being said: I wouldn’t want to live next to a wind turbine either. I don’t like the sound.
    But, if it was a choice between that and a plant run on coal or oil... I’m pretty certain I’d go for the windmills.
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    Scientist have noted a link...further study needs to be done. So not quite as crazy as you want it to be. At one time Einstein was thought to be crazy too.
    Who thought Einstein was crazy?

    Come on, Mott, back up your nonsense with facts, for a change.
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    @vivify said
    Yes. Free energy makes corporate billionaires people sick.
    It’s not “free” as there are always hidden and indeed very visible costs, and there are always wealthy corporates making money out of it.
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    @handyandy said
    President Trump claims that the noise from windmills causes cancer. Any support for this?
    Apparently. Sounds bad.

    Wind power or wind turbine syndrome is a term coined to refer to illnesses people perceive they get by living close to turbines.

    Simon Chapman, professor of public health at the University of Sydney, wrote in The Conservation that the syndrome can be classed as a "psychogenic condition" which spreads by the "nocebo" effect of being talked about.

    He said: "People who don't like wind farms can often be annoyed and worried by them: some might even worry themselves sick."

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-claims-wind-turbine-noise-causes-cancer-11683102
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    @divegeester said
    Apparently. Sounds bad.

    Wind power or wind turbine syndrome is a term coined to refer to illnesses people perceive they get by living close to turbines.

    Simon Chapman, professor of public health at the University of Sydney, wrote in The Conservation that the syndrome can be classed as a "psychogenic condition" which spreads by the "nocebo" effect of being talked abo ...[text shortened]... s sick."

    https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-claims-wind-turbine-noise-causes-cancer-11683102
    As people can worry themselves sick about no windmills, hedgehogs and toilets flushing.
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