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  1. 24 May '12 13:48
    Who increased the national debt more, Obama or G.W. Bush?
  2. 24 May '12 14:33
    If by "increasing the debt" you mean simply the difference between the debt while they are in office, then it would be Obama. But as you know Obama still has more than 4 more years to go, so theoretically he could run a surplus in his next term and make up the deficit to Bush (though that seems highly unlikely).
  3. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 May '12 14:55
    Congress spends the money, continually increases the debt cieling, and won't pass a budget. Why should we blame the president more than Congress?
  4. 24 May '12 15:31
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Congress spends the money, continually increases the debt cieling, and won't pass a budget. Why should we blame the president more than Congress?
    Because the president is black, duh.
  5. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 May '12 16:37
    Originally posted by dryhump
    Because the president is black, duh.
    Oh yeah. Forgot about that. Silly me.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    24 May '12 16:40
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Congress spends the money, continually increases the debt cieling, and won't pass a budget. Why should we blame the president more than Congress?
    The President proposes the budget and can limit some discretionary spending. Moreover, Presidential initiatives like the PPACA will no doubt increase the deficit for years to come.

    I do agree though that there is plenty of blame to go around to all hands.
  7. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 May '12 16:42
    Originally posted by sh76
    The President proposes the budget and can limit some discretionary spending. Moreover, Presidential initiatives like the PPACA will no doubt increase the deficit for years to come.

    I do agree though that there is plenty of blame to go around to all hands.
    Yes. Plenty of blame. The only blameless ones as far as the deficit are concerned are the tea partiers in Congress who have tried to hold the line.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    24 May '12 16:54
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Yes. Plenty of blame. The only blameless ones as far as the deficit are concerned are the tea partiers in Congress who have tried to hold the line.
    Not really. Without tax hikes (which the TPers would not allow), no amount of discretionary spending cuts would balance the budget.
  9. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 May '12 17:14
    Originally posted by sh76
    Not really. Without tax hikes (which the TPers would not allow), no amount of discretionary spending cuts would balance the budget.
    Tax hikes without even a budget in place, while the government proves over and over again that it will squander the money through waste and corruption. That's not what we sent them there for.
  10. 24 May '12 17:18
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Tax hikes without even a budget in place, while the government proves over and over again that it will squander the money through waste and corruption. That's not what we sent them there for.
    How do deficits help tackle the problems of waste and corruption?
  11. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    24 May '12 17:24
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    How do deficits help tackle the problems of waste and corruption?
    You've got it backwards. Why should taxpayers send even more money to be wasted and siphoned off to cronies?
  12. 24 May '12 19:25
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    You've got it backwards. Why should taxpayers send even more money to be wasted and siphoned off to cronies?
    It beats making an honest living.
  13. 24 May '12 20:04
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    You've got it backwards. Why should taxpayers send even more money to be wasted and siphoned off to cronies?
    They obviously shouldn't, but if cutting government spending doesn't cut the waste and the corruption, but (partially) the useful spending, then you're throwing away the baby with the bathwater.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    24 May '12 23:35
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Tax hikes without even a budget in place, while the government proves over and over again that it will squander the money through waste and corruption. That's not what we sent them there for.
    What percentage of government spending is "waste and corruption" IYO?
  15. 25 May '12 01:08
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Congress spends the money, continually increases the debt cieling, and won't pass a budget. Why should we blame the president more than Congress?
    Congress bears responsibility, but ultimately Presidents have the bully pulpit, and must sign the bills.