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  1. Standard memberRJHinds
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    No explanation by Obama on flags not lowered to half-staff for Chattanooga shootings

    The White House provided no explanation Monday amid questions over why the president had not ordered flags across the nation to half-staff in the wake of a Chattanooga, Tenn., shooting that killed five servicemembers.

    http://www.stripes.com/news/us/no-explanation-by-obama-on-flags-not-lowered-to-half-staff-for-chattanooga-shootings-1.358915

    Instead Obama celebrated by going to play golf for the weekend. Shameful.

    Is this more proof that Obama is Muslim and on the side of the Muslim enemies of Christians and Jews?
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    21 Jul '15 03:22
    Why would he not lower the flags?

    Are there any explanations?
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    21 Jul '15 06:23
    Is this more proof that Obama is Muslim and on the side of the Muslim enemies of Christians and Jews?


    It's either that or some White House staff members didn't do their job properly, although both seem quite plausible explanations.
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    21 Jul '15 09:09
    Originally posted by whodey
    Why would he not lower the flags?

    Are there any explanations?
    Does Obama personally lower his own flags then? Does he also cut the grass on the White House lawns? Have you got a copy of the presidential job list to check these things? We should be told.
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    21 Jul '15 10:492 edits
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is this more proof that Obama is Muslim and on the side of the Muslim enemies of Christians and Jews?


    It's either that or some White House staff members didn't do their job properly, although both seem quite plausible explanations.
    Wow, that is pretty lame.

    They seemed to do their job at other times, like when the racist shooter in SC shot up a black church.

    It's time to face certain facts here. The shooter in Tennessee was not a terrorist, he was a lone wolf with no connection to Islam. On top of that, he killed a bunch of white marines, the lowest life forms in the mind of Obama.

    However, the shooter in SC was a white male who killed black. He was a terrorist, in fact, he shares a connection with all white conservative Southern men and their Confederate flag symbol must go!

    Meanwhile, corporations like Wal Mart continue to ban the Confederate flag but not the Koran.

    The Obama administration is full of a bunch of racist ideologues.
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    21 Jul '15 11:002 edits
    http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/19/chattanooga-flags-half-staff/

    In the wake of the Chattanooga tragedy, the governors of several states directed their state flags to be flown at half-staff to honor the victims of those shootings, such as Tennessee (where the attack occurred), Massachusetts (where one of the killed Marines hailed from), and Arkansas (where another of the killed Marines hailed from).

    A number of commenters noted with puzzlement or dismay that President Obama did not direct that the U.S. flag similarly be lowered to half-staff at the White House and other public buildings in memorial of the slain U.S. servicemen:


    There are numerous reports on the Internet that the White House did not lower the flags to half staff following the shooting of 4 marines (and now a 5th serviceman who is navy) in Chattanooga Tennessee (July 2015).

    There were orders by the President for flags to be flown at half-staff following the shootings at Fort Hood, the Aurora Century Theater, Virginia Tech, and Sandy Hook. Why the difference?
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    Indeed, the White House web site does not record President Obama’s having issued any proclamation to that effect, nor do flag notification sites. And it is true that President Obama issued proclamations ordering the flag of the United States be flown at half-staff following similar events such as the mass shooting at the Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, in December 2012, and the Boston Marathon bombing of April 2013.

    Some have speculated that the lack of a presidential proclamation might be because as tragic and senseless as they were, the Chattanooga deaths involved members of the U.S. armed forces who are considered to have been killed in the line of duty (unlike the other mass shooting events referenced above, which involved civilian deaths), and while individual states often lower their flags to honor local natives or residents who die in the service of their country, doing so at a national level would require the President to pick and choose among service deaths to decide which to so honor.

    Others noted that that speculation seemingly ran counter to the fact that President Obama did issue a proclamation directing the lowering of U.S. flags after the November 2009 mass shooting at Fort Hood, Texas, that left thirteen people dead and another thirty-two wounded (both military and civilian, although predominantly the former). In the Fort Hood case, however, the shooter was himself a member of the U.S. Army, and the attack was classified as an act of workplace violence.

    A meme from previous years that was widely recirculated after the Chattanooga shootings falsely claimed that President Obama had ordered flags to be flown at half-staff following the 2012 death of singer Whitney Houston. That actions was actually a decision made at the state level by New Jersey governor Chris Christie.
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    21 Jul '15 11:54
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://m.snopes.com/2015/07/19/chattanooga-flags-half-staff/

    In the wake of the Chattanooga tragedy, the governors of several states directed their state flags to be flown at half-staff to honor the victims of those shootings, such as Tennessee (where the attack occurred), Massachusetts (where one of the killed Marines hailed from), and Arkansas (where ano ...[text shortened]... t actions was actually a decision made at the state level by New Jersey governor Chris Christie.
    Other commentators noted: who cares?
  8. Standard memberRJHinds
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    21 Jul '15 12:33
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is this more proof that Obama is Muslim and on the side of the Muslim enemies of Christians and Jews?


    It's either that or some White House staff members didn't do their job properly, although both seem quite plausible explanations.
    The White House spokesman had no explanation when asked by reporters.
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    21 Jul '15 12:451 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Does Obama personally lower his own flags then? Does he also cut the grass on the White House lawns? Have you got a copy of the presidential job list to check these things? We should be told.
    I spent 20 years in the military and made many trips from the the Pentagon to the White House situation room and I know the President, as Commander and Chief, is responsible for ordering the U.S. flag to be lowered to half-staff at military bases and U.S. government buildings during situations like this. Maybe if the family were black he might have also met with them to give them some support during this tragedy. That is why i say his actions are shameful.
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    21 Jul '15 12:53
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I spent 20 years in the military and made many trips from the the Pentagon to the White House situation room and I know the President, as Commander and Chief, is responsible for ordering the U.S. flag to be lowered to half-staff at military bases and U.S. government buildings during situations like this. Maybe if the family were black he might have also met ...[text shortened]... them to give them some support during this tragedy. That is why i say his actions are shameful.
    I think the other issue is also that the terrorist was Islamic.
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    21 Jul '15 12:54
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Other commentators noted: who cares?
    A number of commenters noted with puzzlement or dismay that President Obama did not direct that the U.S. flag similarly be lowered to half-staff at the White House and other public buildings in memorial of the slain U.S. servicemen:

    This is the issue.
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    21 Jul '15 12:58
    So Obama doesn't order flags be put at half-staff for a shooting, conservatives flip out; but when Obama speaks against the guns that enable such killings, conservatives flip out.

    U.S. conservatives are a whacked bunch.
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    21 Jul '15 13:01
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Other commentators noted: who cares?
    That is probably what Obama thought too. The families of the slain cared. The mother of the youngest marine killed appeared on Fox News and when asked by Shawn Hannity what she had to say to President Obama, she just shook her head and said she was still grieving and couldn't say it out of respect for the office of the presidency.
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    21 Jul '15 13:06
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    That is probably what Obama thought too. The families of the slain cared. The mother of the youngest marine killed appeared on Fox News and when asked by Shawn Hannity what she had to say to President Obama, she just shook her head and said she was still grieving and couldn't say it out of respect for the office of the presidency.
    Those that still like Obama are not going to change their minds about him with issues like this, and those that already dislike him will not change either.

    Essentially, Obama is bullet proof in this respect. He can do as he pleases.
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    21 Jul '15 13:09
    Originally posted by vivify
    So Obama doesn't order flags be put at half-staff for a shooting, conservatives flip out; but when Obama speaks against the guns that enable such killings, conservatives flip out.

    U.S. conservatives are a whacked bunch.
    That is because that violates the second ammendment rights under the U.S. Constitution. The U.S. Marines were not allowed to have weapons at the recruiting station because it was in a civilian mall, and no security was provided for them even though Homeland Security had intelligence that ISIS was instructing Muslims to carry out Jihad against the military here.
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