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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
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    07 Jan '13 02:14
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph Curl Sunday, January 6, 2013
    ANALYSIS/OPINION:

    Sometimes, watching a Democrat learn something is wonderful, like seeing the family dog finally sit and stay at your command.

    With President Obama back in office and his life-saving “fiscal cliff” bill jammed through Congress, the new year has brought a surprising turn of events for his sycophantic supporters.

    “What happened that my Social Security withholding’s in my paycheck just went up?” a poster wrote on the liberal site DemocraticUnderground.com. “My paycheck just went down by an amount that I don’t feel comfortable with. I guarantee this decrease is gonna’ hurt me more than the increase in income taxes will hurt those making over 400 grand. What happened?”

    Shocker. Democrats who supported the president’s re-election just had NO idea that his steadfast pledge to raise taxes meant that he was really going to raise taxes. They thought he planned to just hit those filthy “1 percenters,” you know, the ones who earned fortunes through their inventiveness and hard work. They thought the free ride would continue forever.

    So this week, as taxes went up for millions of Americans — which Republicans predicted throughout the campaign would happen — it was fun to watch the agoggery of the left.

    “I know to expect between $93 and $94 less in my paycheck on the 15th,” wrote the ironically named “RomneyLies.”

    “My boyfriend has had a lot of expenses and is feeling squeezed right now, and having his paycheck shrink really didn’t help,” wrote “DemocratToTheEnd.”

    “BlueIndyBlue” added: “Many of my friends didn’t realize it, either. Our payroll department didn’t do a good job of explaining the coming changes.”

    So let’s explain something to our ill-informed Democratic friends. In 2009, Mr. Obama enacted a “holiday” on the payroll tax deduction from employees’ paychecks, dropping the rate from 6.2 percent to 4.2 percent. But like the holidays, the drop ended, and like New Year’s, the revelers woke up the next morning with a massive hangover and a pounding head.

    “Bake,” who may have been trolling the site, jumped into the thread posted Friday. “My paycheck just went down. So did my wife’s. This hurts us. But everybody says it’s a good thing, so I guess we just suck it up and get used to it. I call it a tax increase on the middle class. I wonder what they call it. Somebody on this thread called it a ‘premium.’ Nope. It’s a tax, and it just went up.”

    Some in the thread argued that the new tax — or the end of the “holiday,” which makes it a new tax — wouldn’t really amount to much. One calculated it would cost about $86 a month for most people. “Honeycombe8,” though, said that amount is nothing to sneeze at.

    “$86 a month is a lot. That would pay for … Groceries for a week, as someone said. More than what I pay for parking every month, after my employer’s contribution to that. A new computer after a year. A new quality pair of shoes … every month. Months of my copay for my hormones. A new thick coat (on sale or at discount place). It would pay for what I spend on my dogs every month … food, vitamins, treats.”

    The Twittersphere was even funnier.

    “Really, how am I ever supposed to pay off my student loans if my already small paycheck keeps getting smaller? Help a sister out, Obama,” wrote “Meet Virginia.” “Nancy Thongkham” was much more furious. “F***ing Obama! F*** you! This taking out more taxes s*** better f***ing help me out!! Very upset to see my paycheck less today!”

    “_Alex™” sounded bummed. “Obama I did not vote for you so you can take away alot of money from my checks.” Christian Dixon seemed crestfallen. “I’m starting to regret voting for Obama.” But “Dave” got his dander up over the tax hike: “Obama is the biggest f***ing liar in the world. Why the f*** did I vote for him”?

    Of course, dozens of posters on DemocraticUnderground sought to blame it all (as usual) on President George W. Bush. “Your taxes went up because the leaders need to dig us out of this criminal deficit hole we are in which has been caused because taxes were too low during the Bush years. Everyone has to help by spreading the wealth around a little. Power to the correct people!” posted “Orinoco.”

    But in fact, it was Mr. Obama who enacted the “holiday,” and, to be clear, the tax cut that he pushed throughout the campaign — remember? 98 percent of Americans will get a cut under his plan? — was really the extension of the Bush tax suts. Thus, it was Mr. Obama who raised taxes on millions of Americans, not Mr. Bush.

    How many Americans? The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in Washington put the total at 77.1 percent of all wage earners. In fact, “More than 80 percent of households with incomes between $50,000 and $200,000 would pay higher taxes. Among the households facing higher taxes, the average increase would be $1,635, the policy center said,” according to a Bloomberg News article. Hilariously, the tax burden will rise more for someone making $30,000 a year (1.7 percent) than it does for someone earning $500,000 annually (1.3 percent).

    A whole new wave of Obama supporters still don’t even know: They’ll get their first 2013 paychecks on the 15th of the month. So when you’re shooting the breeze in the lunchroom with your grumbling co-workers on the 16th, just ask them, “Who’d you vote for in November?” When they say Mr. Obama, just tell them: “Well, you got what you voted for. You did know he was going to raise taxes, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
  2. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    07 Jan '13 03:00 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph ...[text shortened]... s, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
    Boo hoo so peoples payroll taxes went up on average from $63 to $93. The economy is now picking up, the cost of healthcare is on the way down, the financial armagedon is largely averted.

    Surely you all knew that by trying to avoid a total meltdown of the system that would have resulted in a financial collapse worse than the great depression, probably lasting longer than the great depression was going to cost a bit.

    You realised that bit, right? You worked that out! So now when more than 90% of the American workforce is still employed and everyone is slugged with some increase, what are you whingers carrying on about? Would you have preferred all the Bush tax cuts to have lapsed? Would that have been better than taking a $30 a month payroll tax increase?

    Logic says averting the meltdown cost a bundle at the sharp end of the crises that no matter who was in power would eventually filter all the way down to you the solvent American citizen, whether you make the 1% or not. That people incessantly bleat about changes to their situation in denial of that simple fact only suggests one thing; the reality distortion field that Steve jobs is famous for, has now gone mainstream.

    EDIT: I know your sasquatchian comments were made to ridicule those who voted for Obama, but i have no doubt these changes will be grist for the Fox/Newsmax/Sirius mill.
  3. 07 Jan '13 03:57
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph ...[text shortened]... s, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
    If Social Security is to survive, the already inadequate tax which funds it has to be completely collected.

    Of course, like the other tax increases, raising this one back to its former level will not be enough to "save" Social Security or Medicare.
  4. 07 Jan '13 06:51
    Prop 30 increased taxes for everyone, but still people voted for it.
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    07 Jan '13 10:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph ...[text shortened]... s, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
    Your partisan bias and hypocrisy knows no bounds. Republicans have been insisting on an end to the payroll tax cut for more than a year:

    As applause broke out in the House chamber, Scott P. Brown rose to his feet to join an ovation for President Obama. But the enthusiasm came from just half the chamber - the Democratic side - and the lanky GOP senator from Massachusetts was a lonely figure standing in a sea of seated, stony-faced Republicans.

    The one-sided ovation during Obama’s Sept. 8 speech pitching his $447 billion jobs plan came after the president proposed extending last year’s payroll tax cut, an idea that had once garnered bipartisan support but this year has received a tepid reception from many Republicans.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2011/09/26/gop_shifts_away_from_payroll_tax_cut/?page=1

    Here's Paul Ryan blasting it a year and a half ago: http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93354/why-republicans-dont-want-extend-the-payroll-tax-cut#
  6. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    07 Jan '13 10:52
    But Romney's tax plan would let the payroll tax cut expire, an issue he doesn't mention on the stump.

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    The initial tax cut was for only a year, and many Republicans in Congress wanted to let it lapse at the end of 2011. But Obama and Democratic lawmakers successfully fought to extend it through 2012.

    http://www.silive.com/news/index.ssf/2012/10/taxes_go_up_in_2013_for_163_mi.html
  7. 07 Jan '13 12:05
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph ...[text shortened]... s, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
    Because of the state of the world economy,
    taxes are being raised in every country because
    the governments have no money. Revenue is down everywhere.
    Even on this small little rock where I live, we have tax hikes and
    spending cuts and other austerity measures.

    America is no different. Right now it wouldn't matter if Hitler was your President.

    Taxes are being raised because your government has little money
    to fund public services, just like every other government.

    Here in Ireland welfare payments are down, personal tax is up.
    Public spending initiatives have been cut back or in some cases
    cancelled altogether.

    You can't blame Obama. He won't be able to put right everything
    that happened in just four years. He needs more time and more support.
    Your Republican Party is part of the problem. They are inward looking.
    They have no vision other than me, me, me.
  8. Standard member sasquatch672
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    07 Jan '13 12:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Your partisan bias and hypocrisy knows no bounds. Republicans have been insisting on an end to the payroll tax cut for more than a year:

    As applause broke out in the House chamber, Scott P. Brown rose to his feet to join an ovation for President Obama. But the enthusiasm came from just half the chamber - the Democratic side - and the lanky GOP senator p://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/93354/why-republicans-dont-want-extend-the-payroll-tax-cut#
    I'm not advocating for or against the tax hikes. I'm making this simple point: Obama campaigned on "making life easier for the middle class and asking the wealthy to pay a little more". His "2%" claim was a sham, and people fell for it.
  9. 07 Jan '13 13:00
    Democrats like to raise taxes to pay for their beloved social programs and most republicans only pretend to have a problem with it. What else is new?

    If you don't like it you should have voted for the libertarian in the republican party that ran for president, Ron Paul!
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    07 Jan '13 15:59 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I'm not advocating for or against the tax hikes. I'm making this simple point: Obama campaigned on "making life easier for the middle class and asking the wealthy to pay a little more". His "2%" claim was a sham, and people fell for it.
    The fact is that the temporary payroll tax cut was Obama's idea in the first place. Your OP is disingenuous; if Romney had been elected the payroll tax cut would have been repealed just as surely as if Obama was so the "blame it on Obama" "question" suggested in the last paragraph is complete BS.

    i.e. So when you’re shooting the breeze in the lunchroom with your grumbling co-workers on the 16th, just ask them, “Who’d you vote for in November?” When they say Mr. Obama, just tell them: “Well, you got what you voted for. You did know he was going to raise taxes, right?”


    Romney would have raised the same taxes.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    07 Jan '13 16:14 / 1 edit
    In fact in the fiscal cliff negotiations:

    The plan the Obama administration presented to House Republicans last week called for the continuation of the payroll tax cut or a replacement by a tax cut of similar size and design.

    BUT:

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) would allow the payroll tax cut to expire at the end of this year, an aide in his office told The Huffington Post.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/03/john-boehner-fiscal-cliff_n_2233936.html

    You won't receive those facts from a far right zealot like Joseph Curl.
  12. 07 Jan '13 17:04
    Healthcare is way down? Last time I heard, insurance rates are still on the rise and Obamacare introduces a new $70 healthcare tax to help fund his policies.
  13. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    07 Jan '13 19:56
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    I assure you folks, I don't share the author's glee at other people's hardships. But this was coming.


    CURL: Obama supporters shocked, angry at new tax increases

    President Obama talks about taxes on Friday, Aug. 3, 2012, at the Eisenhower Executive Office Building on the White House campus in Washington. (AP Photo/J. Scott Applewhite)
    By Joseph ...[text shortened]... s, right?”

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    ABOUT THE AUTHORJoseph Curl
    Well I should hope so. I'm not going to back the idea of trashing medicare just to finance another tax break for the rich, or anyone else. Taxes will, and should go up.
  14. 07 Jan '13 20:36
    Except Obama promised that he would not raise taxes on anyone making more than 250k.
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    07 Jan '13 21:38
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Except Obama promised that he would not raise taxes on anyone making more than 250k.
    The payroll tax is now at the same level it was when he was elected.