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    25 Jan '17 16:42
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-obama-quietly-sent-palestine-222755112.html

    One of the last acts of Obama was to bypass Congress and release $221 million to the Palestinian authority. Members of Congress had held up giving them money on the basis of concerns of corruption and sponsored terrorism by the Palestinian authorities.

    Was this even legal? It is perhaps a fitting end to a man who was unable to work in a bipartisan manner and seemed to favor leading by edicts than by consensus.
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    25 Jan '17 17:40
    https://worldisraelnews.com/state-department-freezes-obamas-221m-gift-palestinians/

    Well, well, looks like Trump froze the funds.
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    25 Jan '17 19:29
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-obama-quietly-sent-palestine-222755112.html

    One of the last acts of Obama was to bypass Congress and release $221 million to the Palestinian authority. Members of Congress had held up giving them money on the basis of concerns of corruption and sponsored terrorism by the Palestinian authorities.

    Was this even leg ...[text shortened]... s unable to work in a bipartisan manner and seemed to favor leading by edicts than by consensus.
    America spends 2715 times that amount on weapons alone. Can't you spare some change for those who need it?
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    25 Jan '17 19:54
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    America spends 2715 times that amount on weapons alone. Can't you spare some change for those who need it?
    Everyone "needs" it.

    The issue was though, how could Obama proceed with the payment when Congress held up the payment?
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    25 Jan '17 19:59
    Originally posted by whodey
    Everyone "needs" it.

    The issue was though, how could Obama proceed with the payment when Congress held up the payment?
    I actually have no idea if that is possible or not.
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    25 Jan '17 20:11
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    I actually have no idea if that is possible or not.
    With Obama, Mr.Unilateral, everything is possible! 😵
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    25 Jan '17 20:46
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-obama-quietly-sent-palestine-222755112.html

    One of the last acts of Obama was to bypass Congress and release $221 million to the Palestinian authority. Members of Congress had held up giving them money on the basis of concerns of corruption and sponsored terrorism by the Palestinian authorities.

    Was this even leg ...[text shortened]... s unable to work in a bipartisan manner and seemed to favor leading by edicts than by consensus.
    Actually, giving the PA money is good for Israel... if it actually reaches the people.

    Unfortunately, that cannot be counted on given the corruption and incompetence that plagues the PA.
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    25 Jan '17 21:031 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Actually, giving the PA money is good for Israel... if it actually reaches the people.

    Unfortunately, that cannot be counted on given the corruption and incompetence that plagues the PA.
    You are right that aid to Palestinians is good for Israel, where 78% of all aid ends up.

    http://mondoweiss.net/2016/03/study-at-least-78-of-humanitarian-aid-intended-for-palestinians-ends-up-in-israeli-coffers/

    While it is true that corruption plagues the PA, it is Israeli corruption. As for competence, one has to look to where the power lies, and that is with Israel. The fact is, nothing can happen in Palestinian areas without Israeli control. Nothing.

    After 8 years in power, it is hard to be much impressed by the last minute gesture politics of Obama as he passes the imperialist baton to his successor.
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    25 Jan '17 21:13
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-obama-quietly-sent-palestine-222755112.html

    One of the last acts of Obama was to bypass Congress and release $221 million to the Palestinian authority. Members of Congress had held up giving them money on the basis of concerns of corruption and sponsored terrorism by the Palestinian authorities.

    Was this even leg ...[text shortened]... s unable to work in a bipartisan manner and seemed to favor leading by edicts than by consensus.
    Does the fanatical racist pro-Israeli troll Whodey believe that it would be best for Israel
    to keep the Palestinians as hungry, impoverished, and desperate as possible?
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    25 Jan '17 21:25
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Does the fanatical racist pro-Israeli troll Whodey believe that it would be best for Israel
    to keep the Palestinians as hungry, impoverished, and desperate as possible?
    I think it would be better for the US to give to Israel to make sure the money reaches the Palestinian people than to give it to that corrupt group of terrorists.
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    25 Jan '17 21:371 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I think it would be better for the US to give to Israel to make sure the money reaches
    the Palestinian people than to give it to that corrupt group of terrorists.
    Israel's renowned for its generosity in giving aid to the Palestinians (sarcasm intended).
    At least that's what some lying pro-Israeli propagandists might claim.
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    25 Jan '17 21:402 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/why-obama-quietly-sent-palestine-222755112.html

    One of the last acts of Obama was to bypass Congress and release $221 million to the Palestinian authority. Members of Congress had held up giving them money on the basis of concerns of corruption and sponsored terrorism by the Palestinian authorities.

    Was this even leg ...[text shortened]... s unable to work in a bipartisan manner and seemed to favor leading by edicts than by consensus.
    We also gave away 10.6 billion of our hard earned tax dollars to the Fortune 500 in 2016 as subsidies and other corporate welfare goodies, just because they are really BIG companies.

    And you're going to nit pick about 221 million?? 😵
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    25 Jan '17 21:46
    Originally posted by mchill
    We also gave away 10.6 billion of our hard earned tax dollars to the Fortune 500 in 2016 as subsidies and other corporate welfare goodies, just because they are really BIG companies.

    And you're going to nit pick about 221 million?? 😵
    My question regarding this was whether Obama had the authority to give it to them even though those in Congress held the payment.

    As to who should get what money, the US gives money to everyone on the planet, but it has nothing to do with being a humanitarian since most despots simply pocket the money. No, the issue is that the money gives the US some leverage over these despots. If they want to continue on the gravy train, they best play ball.
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    25 Jan '17 21:522 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    My question regarding this was whether Obama had the authority to give it to them even though those in Congress held the payment.

    As to who should get what money, the US gives money to everyone on the planet, but it has nothing to do with being a humanitarian since most despots simply pocket the money. No, the issue is that the money gives the US some leverage over these despots. If they want to continue on the gravy train, they best play ball.
    It's much fuss about nothing, since Trump blocked the payment. As to the 10.6 billion in corporate welfare $$. Shhhhh....I guess we're not supposed to talk about that, are we?? The Fortune 500 deserves to simply TAKE our money. 🙄🙄🙄

    Nothing to see here!!
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    25 Jan '17 21:541 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    It's much fuss about nothing, since Trump blocked the payment. As to the 10.6 billion in corporate welfare $$. Shhhhh....I guess we're not supposed to talk about that, are we?? The Fortune 500 deserves to simply TAKE our money. 🙄🙄🙄

    Nothing to see here!!
    It was the role of Congress to send or keep the money. The money was on hold by Congress, so Trump was merely enforcing their right to do so.

    This reminds me of Obama not consulting Congress for going into Libya. His excuse for not consulting them according to the War Powers Act was, it's not really a war.

    Pathetic.

    Yea, no one ever held him accountable, just like his idol FDR locking up Japanese Americans
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