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  1. 31 Aug '11 19:51
    Bad idea if you believe Bob Dylan

    In Paterson that's just the way things go.
    If you're black you might as well not show up on the street
    lest you want to draw the heat


    Hurricane, by Bob Dylan
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    31 Aug '11 20:06
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Bad idea if you believe Bob Dylan

    In Paterson that's just the way things go.
    If you're black you might as well not show up on the street
    lest you want to draw the heat


    Hurricane, by Bob Dylan
    A lefty wants to talk about Obama's race. What a surprise.
  3. 31 Aug '11 20:24
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    A lefty wants to talk about Obama's race. What a surprise.
    Conservatives really are a humorless lot, aren't they?
  4. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    31 Aug '11 21:10
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Conservatives really are a humorless lot, aren't they?
    Rather than talk about his desire to talk about Obama's race, a lefty deflects. What a surprise.
  5. 31 Aug '11 21:25
    Rather than post about meaningful things people waste their time talking meaninglessly in this thread.
  6. 01 Sep '11 02:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Rather than talk about his desire to talk about Obama's race, a lefty deflects. What a surprise.
    You know, I think the problem is that conservatives are raised in school districts where you only learn "the basics." Unfortunately, you don't learn some of the more complex, at least in relative terms, literary concepts such as irony. Maybe a little too much book burning?

    You might want to look it up. It's spelled I - R - O - N Y.
  7. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    01 Sep '11 03:29
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    You know, I think the problem is that conservatives are raised in school districts where you only learn "the basics." Unfortunately, you don't learn some of the more complex, at least in relative terms, literary concepts such as irony. Maybe a little too much book burning?

    You might want to look it up. It's spelled I - R - O - N Y.
    Do you get a crick in your neck with your nose so high?

    Just about every time some lefty brings up race a smear of conservatives as a bunch of racists shortly follows.

    Here's the latest, members of Congress going on about how other members of congress want to see them hanging from trees. Disgusting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klh2fS5z1rk&feature=player_embedded

    You think something about Obama's race is humorous? Fine. Yuck it up. Let's just be clear about who's bringing it up.
  8. 01 Sep '11 03:33
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Do you get a crick in your neck with your nose so high?

    Just about every time some lefty brings up race a smear of conservatives as a bunch of racists shortly follows.

    Here's the latest, members of Congress going on about how other members of congress want to see them hanging from trees. Disgusting.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Klh2fS5z1rk&feat ...[text shortened]... ama's race is humorous? Fine. Yuck it up. Let's just be clear about who's bringing it up.
    You know....

    Forget it. It's too easy.
  9. 01 Sep '11 06:46
    I don't believe Bob Dylan.

    Wikipedia says: "[According to the 2000 census] the racial makeup of the city was 32.90% African American, 13.20% White, 0.60% Native American, 1.90% Asian, 0.06% Pacific Islander, 27.60% from other races which many Latinos identify with, and 6.17% from two or more races. Latino of any race were 50.1% of the population."

    and:

    "Every summer, Patersonians enjoy an African-American Day Parade [1], a Dominican Day Parade, a Puerto Rican Day Parade, a Peruvian Day Parade, and a Turkish-American Day Parade."

    But perhaps the white population (13 per cent) act as snipers during the parades, or harass the blacks at night. Or maybe the Latinos do both. Or the police officers are white and harass all non-white innocents. In Bob Dylan's fantasies, that is.
  10. 01 Sep '11 06:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by ElmoreB
    I don't believe Bob Dylan.

    Wikipedia says: "[According to the 2000 census] the racial makeup of the city was 32.90% African American, 13.20% White, 0.60% Native American, 1.90% Asian, 0.06% Pacific Islander, 27.60% from other races which many Latinos identify with, and 6.17% from two or more races. Latino of any race were 50.1% of the population."

    and officers are white and harass all non-white innocents. In Bob Dylan's fantasies, that is.
    That's great. What were the demographics in 1975 and what was it like?
  11. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    01 Sep '11 13:04
    Paterson, the site of the great 1913 Paterson Silk Strike. Big Bill Haywood, Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, the IWW. For six months the workers were on strike for an eight hour day, but in the end the strike was broken.

    Back in the glory days of labor class consciousness, at least labor could mount a credible struggle against exploitation. Now any strength labor may have has been thoroughly dissipated. Labor needs to relearn their own history and quit listening to the rich man's history.
  12. 01 Sep '11 23:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    That's great. What were the demographics in 1975 and what was it like?
    Actually, I think the events of the songs took place in the late 60s.

    And the demographics which would matter would be the makeup of the police force. Because the lyrics could easily apply to Watts at the time, which was mostly black, but the police were mostly white. Oakland as well.