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  1. 28 Sep '14 09:19
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/218815-obamacare-enrollments-to-save-hospitals-57b


    Hospitals across the country will save at least $5.7 billion this year because of the millions of people who gained insurance under ObamaCare, senior administration officials announced Wednesday.

    With more patients using health insurance to pay for care, fewer hospitals are left with the bill. As a result, officials predict that unpaid medical costs will drop by about 16 percent nationally, according to a report by the Department of Health and Human Services
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    28 Sep '14 14:58
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/218815-obamacare-enrollments-to-save-hospitals-57b


    Hospitals across the country will save at least $5.7 billion this year because of the millions of people who gained insurance under ObamaCare, senior administration officials announced Wednesday.

    With more patients using health insurance to pay for care, fewer h ...[text shortened]... bout 16 percent nationally, according to a report by the Department of Health and Human Services
    Shhhhhhhhhhhhh....we're not supposed to talk about this.
  3. 28 Sep '14 18:26
    You mean the medical industrial complex will make money when the government diverts more tax payer money in its direction? Say it isn't so.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '14 02:06
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/218815-obamacare-enrollments-to-save-hospitals-57b


    Hospitals across the country will save at least $5.7 billion this year because of the millions of people who gained insurance under ObamaCare, senior administration officials announced Wednesday.

    With more patients using health insurance to pay for care, fewer h ...[text shortened]... bout 16 percent nationally, according to a report by the Department of Health and Human Services
    That there were undoubtedly some good elements in Obamacare doesn't cancel the tremendous burden on the middle class that the extensive regulations to existing plans caused. Except for the working poor, whose healthcare problems could have been taken care of in a much more direct manner, the ACA has been pretty much a disaster and the Dems will pay at the polls in November.
  5. 29 Sep '14 02:14
    Originally posted by sh76
    That there were undoubtedly some good elements in Obamacare doesn't cancel the tremendous burden on the middle class that the extensive regulations to existing plans caused. Except for the working poor, whose healthcare problems could have been taken care of in a much more direct manner, the ACA has been pretty much a disaster and the Dems will pay at the polls in November.
    Screw the middle class sh, hospitals are gett'in rich!!!
  6. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    29 Sep '14 02:25 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    That there were undoubtedly some good elements in Obamacare doesn't cancel the tremendous burden on the middle class that the extensive regulations to existing plans caused. Except for the working poor, whose healthcare problems could have been taken care of in a much more direct manner, the ACA has been pretty much a disaster and the Dems will pay at the polls in November.
    I'm not convinced of this just yet. Obamacare stumbled badly at the start, but has given millions of folks healthcare coverage that would have been financially impossible otherwise, and public opinion of it is not as horrible as many thought it would be, in addition, all those dire conservative predictions about this program have been debunked one by one as the months have rolled by. If the GOP rolls up a big win in November, it will be because of our economy that seems to be stuck in 2nd gear. Gone are the days when the Obama administration can blame Bush and Co for this. We'll just have to wait and see...
  7. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 Sep '14 02:34
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm not convinced of this just yet. Obamacare stumbled badly at the start, but has given millions of folks healthcare coverage that would have been financially impossible otherwise..
    "given"?
    "given"?

    The goobermint can't give anything without taking it first.

    Or they can hang a mortgage on people too young to vote or not even born yet, aka child abuse.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '14 03:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    I'm not convinced of this just yet. Obamacare stumbled badly at the start, but has given millions of folks healthcare coverage that would have been financially impossible otherwise, and public opinion of it is not as horrible as many thought it would be, in addition, all those dire conservative predictions about this program have been debunked one by one as ...[text shortened]... when the Obama administration can blame Bush and Co for this. We'll just have to wait and see...
    They could have just expanded Medicaid if all they wanted to do was give access for more people. Instead, the ACA adds a truckload of stupid regulations that are completely unnecessary to existing plans.

    You're underestimating how many millions of people are having our plans cancelled after the President swore up and down for months that we'd be able to keep our plans if we wanted to.

    Uh, Mr. President: Pants on Fire!

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2013/nov/06/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-what-hed-said-was-you-could-keep/
  9. 29 Sep '14 10:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    They could have just expanded Medicaid if all they wanted to do was give access for more people. Instead, the ACA adds a truckload of stupid regulations that are completely unnecessary to existing plans.

    You're underestimating how many millions of people are having our plans cancelled after the President swore up and down for months that we'd be able to keep ...[text shortened]... -o-meter/statements/2013/nov/06/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-what-hed-said-was-you-could-keep/
    sooo private companies change/cancel medical insurance plans and obama is to blame.


    "You're underestimating how many millions of people are having our plans cancelled"
    how many.
    are they left without any medical insurance at all?
    are they more or less than the millions of people who had no insurance at all before?
    or you can't see the benefits of a law unless it doesn't inconvenience YOU at all?
  10. 29 Sep '14 10:42
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    sooo private companies change/cancel medical insurance plans and obama is to blame.


    "You're underestimating how many millions of people are having our plans cancelled"
    how many.
    are they left without any medical insurance at all?
    are they more or less than the millions of people who had no insurance at all before?
    or you can't see the benefits of a law unless it doesn't inconvenience YOU at all?
    As I've said before, if Obamacare is soooo great, why is there a continual need to try and keep selling it to the American public?

    It's making you kids look like the fool.
  11. 29 Sep '14 11:41
    Originally posted by whodey
    As I've said before, if Obamacare is soooo great, why is there a continual need to try and keep selling it to the American public?

    It's making you kids look like the fool.
    if obamacare is so bad, why do these reports saying it's good keep popping up?




    nobody sane is saying obamacare is perfect. i made this thread to show it's not so bad as you and other shining examples of objectivity make it out to be.

    it has good points and bad points, and this thread is about one of the good points.
  12. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 Sep '14 12:42
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    if obamacare is so bad, why do these reports saying it's good keep popping up?




    nobody sane is saying obamacare is perfect. i made this thread to show it's not so bad as you and other shining examples of objectivity make it out to be.

    it has good points and bad points, and this thread is about one of the good points.
    A good point would be to eliminate force and threats of force from the whole godawful recipe.
  13. 29 Sep '14 12:49
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    A good point would be to eliminate force and threats of force from the whole godawful recipe.
    why dont you drop out? No one is forcing you to stay, build a log cabin in the hills.
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '14 13:10 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    sooo private companies change/cancel medical insurance plans and obama is to blame.


    "You're underestimating how many millions of people are having our plans cancelled"
    how many.
    are they left without any medical insurance at all?
    are they more or less than the millions of people who had no insurance at all before?
    or you can't see the benefits of a law unless it doesn't inconvenience YOU at all?
    ===sooo private companies change/cancel medical insurance plans and obama is to blame.===

    You don't know what you're talking about. They're cancelling the plans because the don't comply with regulations under the ACA and therefore must be cancelled. In case it wasn't obvious from my previous post, my plan has been cancelled. Now I get to pay higher premiums for less coverage. Hooray! Of course that's not dispositive on the whole law, but it is a personal frame of reference that you obviously don't have.

    ==how many.==

    Millions

    ===are they left without any medical insurance at all?===

    They'll get new coverage, but it will be inferior and more expensive in most cases.

    ===are they more or less than the millions of people who had no insurance at all before?===

    Irrelevant. I'm talking about people who had coverage. Adding coverage for people who didn't have coverage before is an entirely separate issue.

    ===or you can't see the benefits of a law unless it doesn't inconvenience YOU at all?===

    As I said above, there may be *some* benefits to the law, but that doesn't mean that large parts of the law are not stupid. They are.
  15. 29 Sep '14 14:10
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    why dont you drop out? No one is forcing you to stay, build a log cabin in the hills.
    he would need others to get tools and hunting equipment, clothes, fuel, salt, medicine and whatever else he takes for granted.