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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
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    14 Feb '14 14:43
    Obamacare’s war on jobs

    By Charles Krauthammer, Published: THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 7:41 PM ET E-mail the writer
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    In the ongoing saga of the Affordable Care Act, oddly referred to by Democrats as the law of the land even as it is amended at will by presidential fiat, we are beginning to understand the extent of its war on jobs.

    First, the Congressional Budget Office triples its estimate of the drop in the workforce resulting from the disincentive introduced by Obamacare’s insurance subsidies: 2 million by 2017, 2.3 million by 2021.

    Democratic talking points gamely defend this as a good thing because these jobs are being given up voluntarily. Nancy Pelosi spoke lyrically about how Obamacare subsidies will allow people to leave unfulfilling jobs to pursue their passions: “Think of an economy where people could be an artist or a photographer or a writer without worrying about keeping their day job in order to have health insurance.”

    Nothing so lyrical has been written about work since Marx (in “The German Ideology&rdquo described a communist society that “makes it possible for me to . . . hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner.”


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    Pelosi’s vision is equally idyllic except for one thing: The taxes of the American factory worker — grinding away dutifully at his repetitive mind-numbing job — will be subsidizing the voluntary unemployment of the artiste in search of his muse. A rather paradoxical position for the party that poses as tribune of the working man.

    In the reductio ad absurdum of entitlement liberalism, White House spokesman Jay Carney was similarly enthusiastic about this Obamacare-induced job loss. Why, Obamacare creates the “opportunity” that “allows families in America to make a decision about how they will work, and if they will work.”

    If they will work? Pre-Obama, people always had the right to quit work to tend full time to the study of butterflies. It’s a free country. The twist in the new liberal dispensation is that the butterfly guy is to be subsidized by the taxes of people who actually work.

    In the traditional opportunity society, government provides the tools — education, training and various incentives — to achieve the dignity of work and its promise of self-improvement and social mobility. In the new opportunity society, you are given the opportunity for idleness while living parasitically off everyone else. Why those everyone elses should remain at their jobs — hey! I wanna dance, too! — is a puzzle Carney has yet to explain.

    The honest liberal reply to the CBO report is that a disincentive to work is inherent in any means-tested government benefit. It’s the unavoidable price of helping those in need because for every new dollar you earn, you lose part of your subsidy and thus keep less and less of your nominal income.

    That’s inevitable. And that’s why we have learned to tie welfare, for example, to a work requirement. Otherwise, beneficiaries could choose to live off the dole forever. That’s why the 1996 Gingrich-Clinton welfare reform succeeded in reducing welfare rolls by two-thirds. It is not surprising that the same Obama administration that has been weakening the work requirement for welfare is welcoming the disincentive to work inherent in Obamacare.

    But Obamacare’s war on jobs goes beyond voluntary idleness. The administration is now conceding, inadvertently but unmistakably, Obamacare’s other effect — involuntary job loss. On Monday, the administration unilaterally postponed and weakened the employer mandate, already suspended through 2015, for yet another year.

    But doesn’t this undermine the whole idea of universal health coverage? Of course it does, but Obamacare was so structured that it is crushing small business and killing jobs. It creates a major incentive for small businesses to cut back to under 50 employees to avoid the mandate. Your business becomes a 49er by either firing workers or reducing their hours to below 30 a week. Because that doesn’t count as full time, you escape both the employer mandate to buy health insurance and the fine for not doing so.

    With the weakest recovery since World War II, historically high chronic unemployment and a shockingly low workforce participation rate, the administration correctly fears the economic consequences of its own law — and of the political fallout for Democrats as millions more Americans lose their jobs or are involuntarily reduced to part-time status.

    Conservatives have been warning about this for five years. This is not rocket science. Both the voluntary and forced job losses were utterly predictable. Pelosi insisted we would have to pass the law to know what’s in it. Now we know.

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  2. 14 Feb '14 15:12
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_employment_rate
  3. Standard member bill718
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    14 Feb '14 18:23 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Obamacare’s war on jobs

    By Charles Krauthammer, Published: THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 7:41 PM ET E-mail the writer
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    In the ongoing saga of the Affordable Care Act, oddly referred to by Democrats as the law of the land even as it is amended at will by presidential fiat, we are beginning to understand the extent of its war on jobs.

    First, t ...[text shortened]... hive, follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his updates on Facebook.

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    Job losses?? Perhaps a few in the short run, but this has yet to be proven. This is a tiny drop in the bucket however compared to the tens of millions of jobs the right wing business community has shipped to China and India in the last few decades. It's an interesting senerio, don't you think? The right wing business boys ship millions of jobs overseas, bringing economic failure to entire regions, then tell the unemployed workers they're lazy (and un American) because they can't find jobs.
  4. 14 Feb '14 18:36
    Work? You mean being owned by "the man"?

    Well let me just say, none of us should have to work. The state should provide us food and shelfter and medical care even if we don't want to work your slave labor.

    That is what men like Obama have come to do. They have come to liberate us from this slave labor called "work".
  5. 15 Feb '14 20:53
    Originally posted by bill718
    Job losses?? Perhaps a few in the short run, but this has yet to be proven. This is a tiny drop in the bucket however compared to the tens of millions of jobs the right wing business community has shipped to China and India in the last few decades. It's an interesting senerio, don't you think? The right wing business boys ship millions of jobs overseas, brin ...[text shortened]... s, then tell the unemployed workers they're lazy (and un American) because they can't find jobs.
    this has yet to be proven. This is a tiny drop in the bucket however compared to the tens of millions of jobs the right wing business community has shipped to China and India in the last few decades."

    Perhaps you could cite some of these tens of millions of jobs, and how they might have been kept Stateside. And perhaps you can harmonize this with the efforts of the Democratic party, and some republicans to suddenly import multiple millions of now illegal workers.
  6. 15 Feb '14 21:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    this has yet to be proven. This is a tiny drop in the bucket however compared to the tens of millions of jobs the right wing business community has shipped to China and India in the last few decades."

    Perhaps you could cite some of these tens of millions of jobs, and how they might have been kept Stateside. And perhaps you can harmonize this with the ...[text shortened]... ocratic party, and some republicans to suddenly import multiple millions of now illegal workers.
    Yeah bill, go do a graduate thesis on the subject before you express your views. That's what norm does.
  7. 16 Feb '14 18:17
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Obamacare’s war on jobs

    By Charles Krauthammer, Published: THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 13, 7:41 PM ET E-mail the writer
    Aa
    In the ongoing saga of the Affordable Care Act, oddly referred to by Democrats as the law of the land even as it is amended at will by presidential fiat, we are beginning to understand the extent of its war on jobs.

    First, t ...[text shortened]... hive, follow him on Twitter or subscribe to his updates on Facebook.

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    I think Obama is winning his war, more service type jobs (low paying where government is needed to help support) and less affluent jobs (upper middle class.)
  8. 16 Feb '14 18:18
    Originally posted by normbenign
    this has yet to be proven. This is a tiny drop in the bucket however compared to the tens of millions of jobs the right wing business community has shipped to China and India in the last few decades."

    Perhaps you could cite some of these tens of millions of jobs, and how they might have been kept Stateside. And perhaps you can harmonize this with the ...[text shortened]... ocratic party, and some republicans to suddenly import multiple millions of now illegal workers.
    corporate greed.
  9. 17 Feb '14 14:00
    Not having to work to have health insurace not only frees the masses from the slavery of work, it also kills the economy. This in turn reduces the consumption of natural resources and the bunring of carbon emissions.

    It's a win/win!!!
  10. 17 Feb '14 15:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    Not having to work to have health insurace not only frees the masses from the slavery of work, it also kills the economy. This in turn reduces the consumption of natural resources and the bunring of carbon emissions.

    It's a win/win!!!
    Did you check the link that I posted?