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  1. Behind the scenes
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    11 May '17 14:15
    Solar power is now the official rising star in the energy world. It's only a matter of time before it replaces oil as the "go to" energy source.

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2016/09/solar-energy-becoming-worlds-most-affordable-power-source.html
  2. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    11 May '17 19:31
    Originally posted by mchill
    Solar power is now the official rising star in the energy world. It's only a matter of time before it replaces oil as the "go to" energy source.

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2016/09/solar-energy-becoming-worlds-most-affordable-power-source.html
    How long is "a matter of time"?
  3. SubscriberWajoma
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    12 May '17 01:47
    Originally posted by mchill
    Solar power is now the official rising star in the energy world. It's only a matter of time before it replaces oil as the "go to" energy source.

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2016/09/solar-energy-becoming-worlds-most-affordable-power-source.html
    That'll be great, the oil companies will be able to stop subsidising an inefficient, unreliable, expensive power source.
  4. SubscriberPonderable
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    12 May '17 07:45
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    How long is "a matter of time"?
    The article which reports from a Bloomberg study and informations of Agora Energiewende says around 2027.

    Beware however that the article is brought by a stakeholder in the game, so it maybe that the most optimistic Scenario is sold as "most probable".
  5. Standard memberfinnegan
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    12 May '17 10:44
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    That'll be great, the oil companies will be able to stop subsidising an inefficient, unreliable, expensive power source.
    The Koch brainwashing propaganda money has not been spent in vain. Oil is good. Oil is freedom. Oil is Liberty.
  6. Cape Town
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    12 May '17 11:05
    Originally posted by mchill
    Solar power is now the official rising star in the energy world. It's only a matter of time before it replaces oil as the "go to" energy source.

    http://www.renewableenergyworld.com/ugc/articles/2016/09/solar-energy-becoming-worlds-most-affordable-power-source.html
    Actually wind is currently the cheapest source of power available. The key about solar is that it can be owned by the individual something not so easy to do with wind and other renewables.
  7. Cape Town
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    12 May '17 11:07
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    That'll be great, the oil companies will be able to stop subsidising an inefficient, unreliable, expensive power source.
    Nonsense (and you know it given that we have discussed this before, which makes you a liar). Oil is subsidised far more heavily than renewables, and oil companies have never subsidised renewables.
    As for 'inefficient' that's just plain stupid and shows your ignorance of basic science.
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    12 May '17 11:11
    Originally posted by finnegan
    The Koch brainwashing propaganda money has not been spent in vain. Oil is good. Oil is freedom. Oil is Liberty.
    Oil is dirty. VERY dirty. It should be used as a lubricant and nothing more. We have race cars powered by electric right now and things will be going more and more electric as time goes by. Humanity is like in a small cage pooping in it's own box. It has to catch up to us sometime and that sometime gets closer and closer all the time.
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    12 May '17 13:101 edit
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    How long is "a matter of time"?
    Kinda like global warming or when "W" will be impeached for war crimes or running out of oil. That sort of time is measured in Prog years.

    Sorry, I don't have the calendar.
  10. SubscriberWajoma
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    12 May '17 13:401 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Nonsense (and you know it given that we have discussed this before, which makes you a liar). Oil is subsidised far more heavily than renewables, and oil companies have never subsidised renewables.
    As for 'inefficient' that's just plain stupid and shows your ignorance of basic science.
    Liar liar pants on fiaarrrrrr.

    Every aspect of our lives is thanks to in some way oil. So every thing that is subsidised is also thanks to oil. Even unreliables rely on oil for the manufacture and transport of turbines or solar panels. And so any subsidy is provided in part by oil. But vice versa? Not so much.

    There has been no discussion, the truth (i.e. the opposite of lies) is that occasionally you make exaggerated claims about how much the oil industry is subsidised. In NZ motorists pay around 40% in tax on fuel so it's going to be an interesting trick if you can somehow reverse that into a subsidy.
  11. SubscriberWajoma
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    12 May '17 13:441 edit
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Oil is dirty. VERY dirty. It should be used as a lubricant and nothing more. We have race cars powered by electric right now and things will be going more and more electric as time goes by. Humanity is like in a small cage pooping in it's own box. It has to catch up to us sometime and that sometime gets closer and closer all the time.
    An electric race car. That explains everything 🙄

    The electric race car was built by oil.
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    12 May '17 14:04
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Every aspect of our lives is thanks to in some way oil. So every thing that is subsidised is also thanks to oil.
    Your understanding of the word 'subsidy' leaves much to be desired.

    There has been no discussion, the truth (i.e. the opposite of lies) is that occasionally you make exaggerated claims about how much the oil industry is subsidised.
    Yet they went unchallenged. I provided references, and you had nothing to say. You know the truth, but you chose to lie above.

    In NZ motorists pay around 40% in tax on fuel so it's going to be an interesting trick if you can somehow reverse that into a subsidy.
    A more interesting trick would be somehow explaining why it isn't a subsidy. A subsidy free fuel would not need tax dollars to pay for it would it? You would pay the oil corporations to get your fuel surely?
    Do you pay a 40% tax on wind and solar power? Why not? Think about it.
  13. SubscriberWajoma
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    12 May '17 14:12
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    You know the truth, but you chose to lie above.

    You know what I know?

    That's going to be an even better trick than proving fuel is heavily subsidised.

    I know what I know, and I know you're 95% bluster.
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    12 May '17 14:173 edits
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    An electric race car. That explains everything 🙄

    The electric race car was built by oil.
    So what? in a few decades the whole thing could be built using sunlight. And you don't know if the plant producing the iron is using coal fired plants or nukes. if the latter, there is no carbon footprint for that. The whole point is to do the entire civilization thing without oil. Oil should be used as it was meant to be used, as a lube and making plastics. We will still need oil even if we go 100% renewables, and ditch oil, we still need it for lubrication just don't burn it. We would also still need oil for the plastics industry and making tires and such also, just don't burn the stuff and we are ok climate wise.
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    12 May '17 14:19
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    So what? in a few decades the whole thing could be built using sunlight. And you don't know if the plant producing the iron is using coal fired plants or nukes. if the latter, there is no carbon footprint for that. The whole point is to do the entire civilization thing without oil. Oil should be used as it was meant to be used, as a lube, nothing more. We w ...[text shortened]... en if we go 100% renewables, and ditch oil, we still need it for lubrication just don't burn it.
    Oil should be used as it was meant to be used, as a lube, nothing more.
    Def makes things easier to take, huh, sonhouse.
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