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    13 Jan '17 20:27
    http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-court-calls-synagogue-torching-an-act-to-criticize-Israel-478330#article=6023OEJFQjg4RjY1OTg3M0NDN0Y1RUJERTczNzg1Q0E2OUU=

    I find this disturbing
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    13 Jan '17 20:36
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-court-calls-synagogue-torching-an-act-to-criticize-Israel-478330#article=6023OEJFQjg4RjY1OTg3M0NDN0Y1RUJERTczNzg1Q0E2OUU=

    I find this disturbing
    The sentencing is very European. 800 dollars of damage, then again, isn't a lot.

    Palestinians shouting "free Palestine" isn't anti-semitic.
    Palestinians torching a synagogue in a protest action is stupid, but it's not anti-semitic.

    It is possible to oppose Israeli behaviour in Palestine (and elsewhere) without being antisemitic, you know.
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    13 Jan '17 20:40
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The sentencing is very European. 800 dollars of damage, then again, isn't a lot.

    Palestinians shouting "free Palestine" isn't anti-semitic.
    Palestinians torching a synagogue in a protest action is stupid, but it's not anti-semitic.

    It is possible to oppose Israeli behaviour in Palestine (and elsewhere) without being antisemitic, you know.
    Why would they target a Synagogue in Germany? Was it because it is a generic holy place? Was it because it is connected to Jews?
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    13 Jan '17 20:46
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why would they target a Synagogue in Germany? Was it because it is a generic holy place? Was it because it is connected to Jews?
    I presume they targetted a synagogue in wuppertal, because they live there...
    Don't you?

    They probably think it's a symbol of Isreali oppression.
    However, since I don't know the temple in question (only having been in wuppental twice... quite a cool flying train thing they have there, by the way), it's hard to tell if the synagogue is an actual promoter of Israeli BS or that the Palestian hooligans were just plain daft.
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    13 Jan '17 20:55
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    I presume they targetted a synagogue in wuppertal, because they live there...
    Don't you?

    They probably think it's a symbol of Isreali oppression.
    However, since I don't know the temple in question (only having been in wuppental twice... quite a cool flying train thing they have there, by the way), it's hard to tell if the synagogue is an actual promoter of Israeli BS or that the Palestian hooligans were just plain daft.
    Why is it a symbol of Isaeli oppression? Is it German soil or Israeli soil?
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    13 Jan '17 21:59
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why is it a symbol of Isaeli oppression? Is it German soil or Israeli soil?
    Is a German tank in France on German soil?
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    13 Jan '17 22:00
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why is it a symbol of Isaeli oppression? Is it German soil or Israeli soil?
    You'd think Germany would have had its fill of vandalizing buildings just because it is owned by Juden.
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    13 Jan '17 22:01
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Is a German tank in France on German soil?
    Do Israelis own the building or Germans?
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    13 Jan '17 23:07
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://m.jpost.com/Diaspora/German-court-calls-synagogue-torching-an-act-to-criticize-Israel-478330#article=6023OEJFQjg4RjY1OTg3M0NDN0Y1RUJERTczNzg1Q0E2OUU=

    I find this disturbing
    You find it disturbing that people were convicted of damaging a synagogue?
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    13 Jan '17 23:101 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    You find it disturbing that people were convicted of damaging a synagogue?
    I find it disturbing that the German courts say that burning a building because it is Jewish is not a hate crime because it is an act against Israel. The German government says that German Jews are free targets of hate crimes as long as the person claims it is because of Israel.

    Free season on Juden in Germany.
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    13 Jan '17 23:34
    Juden, Juden, Juden


    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3p7bqw
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    14 Jan '17 00:19
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The sentencing is very European. 800 dollars of damage, then again, isn't a lot.

    Palestinians shouting "free Palestine" isn't anti-semitic.
    Palestinians torching a synagogue in a protest action is stupid, but it's not anti-semitic.

    It is possible to oppose Israeli behaviour in Palestine (and elsewhere) without being antisemitic, you know.
    It's not anti-Semitic until you round up 6 million Jews and throw them in the oven.

    5.5 million, maybe, but that's pushing it.
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    14 Jan '17 03:44
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I find it disturbing that the German courts say that burning a building because it is Jewish is not a hate crime because it is an act against Israel. The German government says that German Jews are free targets of hate crimes as long as the person claims it is because of Israel.

    Free season on Juden in Germany.
    The perpetrators were convicted of arson, so I fail to see how that translates to anyone being given a "free ride" to do anything.

    You also seem to gloss over the fact that the arson occurred during the Israeli offensive against Gaza which killed over 2200 Palestinians. Given the time frame, a court decision finding this was a misguided violent protest against Israel rather than a hate crime against Jews doesn't seem unreasonable.

    Personally, I've always opposed the concept of a "hate crime" i.e. considering a crime more severe simply because of supposed animus against a certain group by the offender, but I suppose that's tangential to the discussion.
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    14 Jan '17 07:32
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Do Israelis own the building or Germans?
    No idea.
    It's about how the building is percieved
    You seem hell bent on making it an antisemitic issue.
    The Palestinians are semitic.

    So you actually mean: anti-Jewish.

    But it's anti-Israeli in word, so why would you reckon the action would be another reflection?
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    14 Jan '17 07:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's not anti-Semitic until you round up 6 million Jews and throw them in the oven.

    5.5 million, maybe, but that's pushing it.
    Yeah... 2 oppressed Palestinians venting their frustration at Israel's behaviour (in a manner which I personally find unacceptable, by the way) is not the same as mass extermination or even the same as the Extreme-right groups in Saxony and Bavaria.

    Believe me. It's not.
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