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  1. 22 Jan '14 20:36
    When the 2014 Winter Olympic Games begin in Sochi, Russia, there
    presumably will be a (disingenuous) presentation about Russian history.
    Something that will be ignored is Russia's brutality toward the Circassians,
    an indigenous people of the Sochi region. Russia forcibly expelled the
    Circassians, leading directly to at least hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    http://hnn.us/article/151025
    "Russia's Forgotten Genocide" by Walt Richmond
    (Walt Richmond, an American academic, wrote _The Circassian Genocide_)

    Circassian nationalists have campaigned for Russia to acknowledge, at
    least, that it was wrong to 'ethnically cleanse' the Circassians and, at
    most, to admit that it commited genocide and offer some reparations.
    Boris Yeltsin once acknowledged that it was legitimate for the Circassians
    to have resisted Russian imperialism, but he declined to condemn Russia's
    policies toward them as a crime. Georgia (which has a bitter territorial
    dispute with Russia) has become the first state to give official recognition
    that the Circassians were the victims of a genocide by Russia.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian-Circassian_War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians
  2. 22 Jan '14 20:55
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    When the 2014 Winter Olympic Games begin in Sochi, Russia, there
    presumably will be a (disingenuous) presentation about Russian history.
    Something that will be ignored is Russia's brutality toward the Circassians,
    an indigenous people of the Sochi region. Russia forcibly expelled the
    Circassians, leading directly to at least hundreds of thousands of ...[text shortened]... .org/wiki/Russian-Circassian_War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians
    We like to cast judement on others while ignoring our own filth.

    I heard recently that the death toll since Roe vs. Wade stands at about 55 million in the US.

    Did they kill 55 million?

    Of course, we all justify our actions, don't we? The Russians thought that the world would be a better place without those they murdered, and so do mothers who abort their chidren. (shrug)

    To engage in genocide is to be human.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    22 Jan '14 21:17
    Fun fact: the Olympics are a giant pagan Greek religious celebration. This drives Muslims nuts because they hate paganism.
  4. 22 Jan '14 21:19
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Fun fact: the Olympics are a giant pagan Greek religious celebration. This drives Muslims nuts because they hate paganism.
    The Islamic Republic of Iran's government has celebrated the Olympic
    triumphs of Iranian athletes.
  5. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    22 Jan '14 21:48
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    The Islamic Republic of Iran's government has celebrated the Olympic
    triumphs of Iranian athletes.
    Iran has won 60 medals in their history.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table
  6. 22 Jan '14 22:39
    I suspect that most readers here know nothing about the Circassians.
    Indeed, I can recall few references to Circassians in Western pop culture.

    In the film 'Lawrence of Arabia', T.E. Lawrence (played by Peter O'Toole,
    who looked very different from the real man) is captured by the Turks.
    A Turkish official takes an interest in this tall, blue-eyed, blond fair-skinned
    man. Lawrence attempts to explain his physical appearance by claiming
    to be a Circassian (he could not pass as an Arab), not a British officer.
    The Turkish official's unsure of whether to believe him, but it does not
    matter for what he intends to do to Lawrence.
  7. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 Jan '14 04:47
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    When the 2014 Winter Olympic Games begin in Sochi, Russia, there
    presumably will be a (disingenuous) presentation about Russian history.
    Something that will be ignored is Russia's brutality toward the Circassians,
    an indigenous people of the Sochi region. Russia forcibly expelled the
    Circassians, leading directly to at least hundreds of thousands of ...[text shortened]... .org/wiki/Russian-Circassian_War

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing_of_Circassians
    I would agree, and that situation looks a great deal like the American governments moves to slaughter millions of native american indians, take their lands, and banish them to lives in exile on their own continent. I guess every powerful country has a dark past...
  8. Standard member Soothfast
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    24 Jan '14 08:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    I suspect that most readers here know nothing about the Circassians.
    Indeed, I can recall few references to Circassians in Western pop culture.
    Wasn't Gul Dukat a Circassian in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
  9. 24 Jan '14 20:05
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    Wasn't Gul Dukat a Circassian in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine?
    Your knowledge of 'Star Trek' far exceeds mine.
    My earlier post referred to *recent* 'Western pop culture'.

    Going back further, I can recall some popular stereotypes of Circassian
    men as gallant warriors and Circassian women as renowned beauties.
    (Circassian women were supposedly favoured additions to the harems of
    the Ottoman Sultans.) Many Western men stereotyped Circassian women
    then (like they stereotype East Asian women now) as exotic beauties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_beauty