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    16 Nov '16 21:44
    Yes, it did happen. But there are questions about it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/how-one-deplorable-sign-at-an-anti-trump-protest-foreshadows-the-fight-over-fake-news/
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    16 Nov '16 21:49
    Not sure who that sign is supposed to be aimed at, but most likely Donald Trump, who had his lawyer vigorously defend the rape of his ex-wife, already beat them to it.
  3. Zugzwang
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    16 Nov '16 22:002 edits
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Yes, it did happen. But there are questions about it.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/15/how-one-deplorable-sign-at-an-anti-trump-protest-foreshadows-the-fight-over-fake-news/
    There are differences of opinion about whether the sign was real or fake ('photoshopped' ).
    Even if it's real, it's not a serious threat. Given her protection by the Secret Service,
    Melania Trump presumably could be raped by only one man, her husband Donald Trump.
  4. Standard membervivify
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    16 Nov '16 22:092 edits
    I mentioned a few days ago that for all we know this protester could have been a fake trying to destroy the image of the protesters.

    Think about it; he's the only one there with a hoodie (at least in the photo) and we can't see *any* detail about him, despite being able to see how many of the protesters look; even if we see only their hair color.

    The most obvious factor, of course, is someone bringing a rape sign to a protest against someone who's been accused of rape and condemned for bragging about sexual assault.

    Given that Trump supporters have been known to punch and attack minority women protesting peacefully, posing as a protester to sabotage their image isn't far-fetched.
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    16 Nov '16 23:18
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    There are differences of opinion about whether the sign was real or fake ('photoshopped' ).
    Even if it's real, it's not a serious threat. Given her protection by the Secret Service,
    Melania Trump presumably could be raped by only one man, her husband Donald Trump.
    It wasn't photoshoped, but it may have been a Trump supporter trying to discredit the demo. As they said, there was an argument and he left.
  6. Zugzwang
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    16 Nov '16 23:261 edit
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    It wasn't photoshoped, but it may have been a Trump supporter trying to discredit the demo.
    As they said, there was an argument and he left.
    "Was that 'Rape Melania' sign fake or Photoshopped? Experts weigh in."
    --Melanie Ehrenkranz (article at mic.com)

    The article cites the disagreement between Max Shuppert, who thinks that it's unlikely
    that the image was edited (unless by a sophisticated user) and Joshua Field, who thinks
    that the sign was a fake.

    "The odds of the angle of the sign being the same in the only three pictures in evidence are virtually impossible."
    --Joshua Field
  7. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    16 Nov '16 23:28
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    It wasn't photoshoped, but it may have been a Trump supporter trying to discredit the demo. As they said, there was an argument and he left.
    Was it whodey?
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    17 Nov '16 00:30
    Let's assume a few people were holding up this disgusting poster at an anti Trump protest.It is only a real concern if it continues to happen in even greater numbers. And for those who want to label all Trump supporters (I reluctantly voted for Clinton but was a Sanders supporter) racist, many who voted for Trump also must have voted for Obama or he would have never won either election, especially his first round.
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    17 Nov '16 01:45
    Originally posted by Phranny
    Let's assume a few people were holding up this disgusting poster at an anti Trump protest.It is only a real concern if it continues to happen in even greater numbers. And for those who want to label all Trump supporters (I reluctantly voted for Clinton but was a Sanders supporter) racist, many who voted for Trump also must have voted for Obama or he would have never won either election, especially his first round.
    According to the article it was one person. A couple of women went up and argued with the guy until he left. End of story.
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    17 Nov '16 02:05
    Originally posted by vivify
    I mentioned a few days ago that for all we know this protester could have been a fake trying to destroy the image of the protesters.

    Think about it; he's the only one there with a hoodie (at least in the photo) and we can't see *any* detail about him, despite being able to see how many of the protesters look; even if we see only their hair color.

    The m ...[text shortened]... y women protesting peacefully, posing as a protester to sabotage their image isn't far-fetched.
    What does a Trump supporter look like? Sounds like your some kind of racist bigot...
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    17 Nov '16 03:53
    Originally posted by HandyAndy
    Was it whodey?
    That's a good theory!
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    17 Nov '16 04:42
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    There are differences of opinion about whether the sign was real or fake ('photoshopped' ).
    Even if it's real, it's not a serious threat. Given her protection by the Secret Service,
    Melania Trump presumably could be raped by only one man, her husband Donald Trump.
    Not a serious threat? Are you saying it's therefore meaninglessness?
  13. Zugzwang
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    17 Nov '16 20:252 edits
    Originally posted by KellyJay
    Not a serious threat? Are you saying it's therefore meaninglessness?
    It's wrong to threaten to rape anyone. But (apart from Michelle Obama for now) Melania
    Trump's the most protected woman in the USA. A First Lady never has been raped.
    In contrast, many less privileged women receive rape threats (on the internet or the street),
    and they have more reasons to take those threats seriously.

    I note that Donald Trump has a record of boasting of committing sexual assault and has been accused of rape.
    Donald Trump's the only man whom Melania Trump would have to fear about raping her.
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    17 Nov '16 20:31
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    There are differences of opinion about whether the sign was real or fake ('photoshopped' ).
    Even if it's real, it's not a serious threat. Given her protection by the Secret Service,
    Melania Trump presumably could be raped by only one man, her husband Donald Trump.
    Now there's a conspiracy theory about pictures?
    No way.
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    22 Nov '16 02:36
    This is from the article.

    "Informed of the Photoshopping conspiracy theory, Cooper replied, “Obviously that's not what happened.”

    But Cooper suspects a different kind of chicanery. She thinks the man who hoisted the deplorable sign might have been one of The Deplorables — as in, a Trump supporter who wanted to make the demonstrators look bad. Trump backers on social media have pointed to the sign in an effort to discredit people protesting the election of a candidate who insulted women and minorities during the campaign.

    Cooper's wife, Dana Fikes, is also suspicious of the sign holder's motive.

    “I noticed this sign to the right of where we were standing,” Fikes said. “He was holding the sign facing away from the crowd and toward his friend, who had a camera. As soon as nearby protesters saw his sign, I saw at least two people go over and talk to him. He rolled up his sign, and he and his friend left.”

    A third demonstrator, Amy Whetzel, told The Fix that she, too, thinks the man with the sign was pulling a dirty trick.

    “When we asked him to leave, there was a mild confrontation, and he confirmed as much,” Whetzel said.

    Alan Beck, a Trump supporter who posted the first photo on Twitter, denied that his picture was part of a stunt.

    “It's not staged,” he said. “I saw it and took a picture. That's all.”

    Beck posted a 22-minute, selfie-style video on a pro-Trump YouTube channel called the Last Stand in which he goes on at length about how the sign shows “how intolerant the left really is.” Filmed in a parked car near the site of the protest, the video also features Jack Posobiec, special projects director of a group called Citizens for Trump."
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