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  1. Unknown Territories
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    02 Jun '17 22:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    It is notable in this forum that there are posters who push an ideology to the point of making fools of themselves and requiring the most ridiculous amount of lying and other nonsense to support. There are also posters who seem to push the idea that there are no such things as 'facts' and everything is just opinion.
    Now we know from countries like China ...[text shortened]... y we see here.
    So, how many of the posters here do you think are paid to push their propaganda?
    For some unknown reason, you mentioned Russia and China but left out any of the other keyboard punching countries of the world, most notably, the USA, which has been doing this exact thing with military personnel for quite some time.
  2. SubscriberSuzianne
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    02 Jun '17 22:37
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Maybe they have my account number wrong?
    I have been on here for twelve years and still haven't received my promised riches.
    On the plus side, I get to use my phone charges as a business write-off.
    So I got that going for me.
    So you're still on dial-up?

    I seriously didn't think there were any 'techno-phobes' left.
  3. SubscriberSuzianne
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    02 Jun '17 22:41
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Swear to God that show is like a Pez dispenser full of crack for its indoctrinated rabid followers, whose allegiance is so strong despite a lack of any thought-provoking content it would remain popular even if they put a suit on a drunk kangaroo and dubbed their bland right-hate rants over its howling.
    Don't you mean Fox News?

    Oh, wait, that would be 'left-hate rants'.
    Nearly exactly what you were spewing, except for that.

    Carry on.
  4. SubscriberSuzianne
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    02 Jun '17 22:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    I still get my news from Jon Stewart...................reruns.
    That must be why you're still on about "emails".
  5. Zugzwang
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    02 Jun '17 23:31
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriotic_hacking

    http://world.time.com/2013/02/21/chinas-red-hackers-the-tale-of-one-patriotic-cyberwarrior/

    "China’s Red Hackers: The Tale of One Patriotic Cyberwarrior."

    'Patriotic hackers' are motivated by nationalism and ideology, not necessarily money.
  6. Unknown Territories
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    02 Jun '17 23:37
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Don't you mean Fox News?

    Oh, wait, that would be 'left-hate rants'.
    Nearly exactly what you were spewing, except for that.

    Carry on.
    News flash:
    They are all part of the same game!
  7. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    03 Jun '17 18:081 edit
    Thousand grains of sand is the name of how China's government asks all Chinese people to gather whatever information they can. This is one of the ways they leverage their huge population to gather intelligence.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/spy/spies/different.html

    The Soviets used blackmail. The Soviets used people who had an ideological bent towards communism, and the Soviets and the United States would find weaknesses in people and exploit that. …
    The Chinese, on the other hand, had a much different approach. They would send their scientists to America, and of course lots and lots of students come to the United States. Many of them stay here, and the approach is often described as a thousand grains of sand, which some people have objected to, but it's a pretty good description actually. Everybody gathers a little bit of information -- I don't mean every Chinese person in America, but everybody that's working for them -- and they assemble it.
    When Chinese scientists come to the United States, they make contacts. It's alarming to FBI agents and members of Congress who have no idea that there are Chinese scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory, at Lawrence Livermore, and the first time they hear this, that "My God, in Los Alamos, you're telling me there's Chinese nuclear weapon scientists? This can't be true." And of course the reverse is true, that American scientists have been going to China since around 1980 and once they get there, the techniques of gathering information used by the Chinese, first of all, is just to talk to these people a lot. If you spend a couple of weeks with somebody and get tours of the Great Wall and banquets and trips to their ancestral homeland, if they're Chinese American, then people talk and there's useful information.
    They also use techniques such as after a long day at the Wall and a long banquet with lots of alcohol, you find yourself in a hotel room, perhaps surrounded by Chinese who are asking you lots and lots of questions and implying that there's an obligation for you to answer because "We've been so nice to you," or perhaps if you're Chinese American, "To help the motherland." And by the way, "Your grandmother who lives on the third floor of her apartment in Beijing, we just put her on the first floor for you so she doesn't have to walk up the stairs anymore." And if that sort of technique gleans one piece of information, fine. Tomorrow there'll be another piece of information. …
    You mean they're not any more sophisticated than this? I thought there would be dead drops at phone booths outside restaurants.
    Well, a good question. The Chinese don't do dead drops, the Chinese don't do phone booths. The Chinese would much rather have you come to China and "let's sit around and talk." Or "talk to us in the United States and don't go steal documents for us. We don't want you to steal documents, it just gets you caught. And you're doing this for the betterment of the world,"or if they're playing it here, "you're Chinese American, Taiwanese or mainland American, help the motherland. You're all overseas Chinese. We're a poor country, America's a rich country. It's not going to hurt America to help us." It's that sort of pitch. And yes they use the United States mail. It's not been published before, but it's true.
  8. Zugzwang
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    03 Jun '17 19:23
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    It is notable in this forum that there are posters who push an ideology to the point of making fools of themselves and requiring the most ridiculous amount of lying and other nonsense to support. There are also posters who seem to push the idea that there are no such things as 'facts' and everything is just opinion.
    Now we know from countries like China ...[text shortened]... y we see here.
    So, how many of the posters here do you think are paid to push their propaganda?
    Israel encourages its supporters to learn the manipulative arts of Hasbara in engaging the gullible public.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_diplomacy_of_Israel

    There are at least several writers here (both Jewish and non-Jewish) who recite absurd hasbara,
    and I doubt that they are being paid to do so.
  9. Zugzwang
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    03 Jun '17 19:304 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Thousand grains of sand is the name of how China's government asks all Chinese people to gather whatever information they can. This is one of the ways they leverage their huge population to gather intelligence.

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/spy/spies/different.html

    The Soviets used blackmail. The Soviets used people who h ...[text shortened]... And yes they use the United States mail. It's not been published before, but it's true.
    Again, the Sinophobic racist troll AThousandYoung 'knows' (sarcasm intended) more about China than most Chinese do.

    I happen to have many ethnic Chinese friends or relatives who live in various societies.
    They may be worried that they have missed their secret orders from Beijing and neglected their patriotic duties.
    Would AThousandYoung be so kind as to forward their secret orders from Beijing to them?
    They could read them after they have learned their secret instructions on how to cheat
    (without getting caught) on school exams when competing against 'racially superior' Westerners.
    (The racist troll AThousandYoung has claimed or at least strongly implied that most, if not all,
    ethnic Chinese students can succeed in Western schools only through cheating.)

    I would not dispute that China's intelligence agencies may attempt to recruit some overseas Chinese.
    (Western governments expect and tend to accept that Israel's intelligence agencies like
    to recruit some of their Jewish citizens to work for Israel.) But it's a racist fantasy to believe
    that more than a tiny minority of overseas Chinese are spying for the People's Republic of China.

    The racist AThousandYoung may be upset that Wen Ho Lee, an American defense scientist
    of Chinese heritage (born in Taiwan) was, despite a campaign of racist defamation in the
    US media, absolved of all but one technical charge of wrongdoing in his espionage case.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wen_Ho_Lee

    "A federal grand jury indicted him on charges of stealing secrets about the U.S.
    nuclear arsenal for the People's Republic of China (PRC) in December 1999.[1]
    After federal investigators were unable to prove these initial accusations, the government
    conducted a separate investigation and was ultimately only able to charge Lee with
    improper handling of restricted data, one of the original 59 indictment counts, to which
    he pleaded guilty as part of a plea settlement. In June 2006, Lee received $1.6 million
    from the federal government and five media organizations as part of a settlement of a
    civil suit he had filed against them for leaking his name to the press before any formal
    charges had been filed against him.[2] Federal judge James A. Parker eventually
    apologized to Lee for denying him bail and putting him in solitary confinement, and
    excoriated the government for misconduct and misrepresentations to the court.[3]"

    A conservative federal judge apologized to Wen Ho Lee because the US government
    had persistently lied about and to him in attempting to frame him on various charges.

    "He [Wen Ho Lee] also charges that his Asian ethnicity [my note: 'Asian' is not an ethnicity]
    was a primary factor behind his prosecution by the government. As evidence of such
    racial profiling, he cited cases of several scientists of non-Han Chinese ancestry who
    were responsible for similar security transgressions but were able to continue their careers."

    Around the time of Wen Ho Lee's trial, the US government conducted an informal purge
    of ethnic Chinese defense scientists. There are racists (like a ThousandYoung) in charge of security
    vetting who distrust all ethnic Chinese and don't want them to have access to classified information.
    The main reason why the US government employs any ethnic Chinese at all as defense scientists
    is because it needs them to do work that too few white Americans' are capable of doing.
    In the USA, a disproportionately high number of the best mathematicians, physicists,
    computer scientists, electrical engineers, etc. are ethnic Chinese, who tend to be willing
    to do hard technical work for less pay than would be given to whites with similar qualifications.
    The USA employs ethnic Chinese as defense scientists for roughly the same reason
    that it employs Latinos (including undocumented immigrants) as farm workers.
    They are ready to do hard work (which few 'real Americans' will do) for less pay.
  10. Zugzwang
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    04 Jun '17 22:16
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Again, the Sinophobic racist troll AThousandYoung 'knows' (sarcasm intended) more about China than most Chinese do.

    I happen to have many ethnic Chinese friends or relatives who live in various societies.
    They may be worried that they have missed their secret orders from Beijing and neglected their patriotic duties.
    Would AThousandYoung be so kind as ...[text shortened]... farm workers.
    They are ready to do hard work (which few 'real Americans' will do) for less pay.
    I note that AThousandYoung's racist paranoid belief of 'all ethnic Chinese are spies for the
    People's Republic of China' resembles the belief of 'all Muslims are in a terrorist conspiracy.'.
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