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  1. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    01 Jun '13 18:34
    Victims?
  2. 01 Jun '13 19:45
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    Do you believe the ignorant 'all Palestinians are Muslims' stereotype?

    In fact, a significant minority (including disproportionately many of the
    most influential) of Palestinians are of Christian heritage. By the way,
    the American chess master, Jorge Sammour-Hasbun, is of Palestinian
    Christian heritage.
  3. 01 Jun '13 20:25
    For the sake of starting a discussion, I would like to say that killing people is bad.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 20:27
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    For the sake of starting a discussion, I would like to say that killing people is bad.
    In the interests of furthering this fascinating line of discussion, I will ask you - would it be bad to kill Hitler if you could go back in time?!
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 20:28
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    I bet Muslim hate of Israeli Jews will beat your Jew hate of Palestinian Muslims.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 20:42
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    Indigenous populations (Jews in Judea, as well as Palestinians in the Gaza strip) often have a fanatical motivation that provides extra combat effectiveness. Also Israelis are Ashkenazis for the most part, which gives them the double boost of the Germanic and Slavic military traditions and the recent experience of attempted genocide of a particularly horrific and widespread variety. This makes them very ferocious in battle on their own ground (the provinces of Israel and Judah/Judea/Yehuda).
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 20:52 / 1 edit
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    Clearly you're not a Muslim because they revere Jesus Christ and would never speak of him with such disrespect.

    EDIT - Ah, so you're from the PRC.

    Better watch out so the hungry ghosts don't getya
  8. 01 Jun '13 20:54 / 2 edits
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    You (Phew) are extremely ignorant if you believe that Israel and Zionism
    always treated Palestinian Christians much more favourably than Palestinian
    Muslims. In fact, Palestinian Christians also were driven away from their
    lands and homes by Israel, and Palestinian Christians have been intentionally
    killed by Israel. Palestinian Christians have been active in the armed
    struggle against Israel. George Habash (the founder of the PFLP) was a
    Christian; Salah Ta'amari (who was a commander of Al-Fatah's militia in
    southern Lebanon) is a Christian from Bethlehem. The Israel Defence Force
    (IDF) does not advise its soldiers: "Let's go easy on the Palestinian
    Christians because they are not really our enemies."

    In an earlier thread, I submitted a short reading list of books (unfamiliar
    to most Americans) as an introduction to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.
    By the way, as a longtime critic of Israel and Zionism, I do sympathize
    with your (Phew) efforts to bring more attention to Israeli crimes against
    the Palestinians.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 21:03
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    You should tell your most trusted religious expert of your sin and express repentance. Jesus Christ is known for his capacity for forgiveness if you are honest about your failure to honor Allah's Christ.
  10. 01 Jun '13 21:29
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    In the interests of furthering this fascinating line of discussion, I will ask you - would it be bad to kill Hitler if you could go back in time?!
    In that case Red Alert could have never been made.
  11. 01 Jun '13 21:43 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung to KazetNagorra
    In the interests of furthering this fascinating line of discussion, I will ask you - would it be bad to kill Hitler if you could go back in time?!
    "...would it be bad to kill Hitler if you could go back in time?"
    --AThousandYoung

    At which exact moment in time would this decision be made?
    What would be the consequences for the person who killed Hitler?

    There's a story that, rather late in the war, Stalin was asked if he would
    like to approve of proceeding with a Soviet potential mission to kill Hitler.
    By that time, however, Stalin believed that it was better to keep Hitler
    alive. Hitler's military errors were helping the USSR to win more easily.
    And if Hitler were replaced by another leader (who had fewer ties to the
    Nazis), that might open the door for a separate peace between Germany
    and the western Allies, which would enable Germany to concentrate on
    fighting the USSR. Yes, the western Allies had promised not to make any
    separate peace with Germany, but Stalin hardly trusted the western Allies.

    Earlier in the war, there was a reported Soviet secret agent, Olga Chekhova
    (an ethnic German who had grown up in Russia), who was Hitler's favourite
    film actress. Indeed, Hitler seemed to have quite an infatuation with her.
    Presumably, Olga Chekhova's instructions (from the NKVD) were to get as
    close as possible to Hitler, even if she had to sleep with him. But nothing
    like that ever took place, and she had minimal contact with Hitler for most
    of the war. I don't know what Olga Chekhova would have done if she had
    been ordered to kill Hitler, knowing that this deed would have been suicidal.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    01 Jun '13 22:08
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "...would it be bad to kill Hitler if you could go back in time?"
    --AThousandYoung

    At which exact moment in time would this decision be made?
    What would be the consequences for the person who killed Hitler?

    There's a story that, rather late in the war, Stalin was asked if he would
    like to approve of proceeding with a Soviet potential mission to k ...[text shortened]... if she had
    been ordered to kill Hitler, knowing that this deed would have been suicidal.
    I keeping with the spirit of "killing is bad" vs "sometimes killing is not bad" it would be like instantaneous time teleporting with no consequences for the killer who could choose the time to strike.