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  1. 26 Sep '16 19:28 / 1 edit
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/26/andy-richter-eternally-grateful-girlfriend-aborted-child/

    I'm often hard on abortionists, so here is your time to shine.


    Eternal gratefulness for an abortion shouldn’t be something to brag about, but that’s what Andy Richter just did at a Planned Parenthood fundraiser. The actor, who hosted the “Sexy Beast” fundraiser for the Los Angeles branch of PP, credits his girlfriend’s abortion back in 1992 with allowing them to live the lives they wanted.

    These lives included eventually marrying each other, children when they decided they wanted to be parents, pets, and careers. What those lives don’t include is the realization that they will forever be missing a child.





    Richter and his future wife, Sarah Thyre, lacked steady employment and were focused on building careers when they found she was pregnant. Richter explained what happened next:


    Luckily for us Planned Parenthood existed. My girlfriend knew that she was not ready for motherhood, and I knew that I was in no way prepared to be a father. I drove from Chicago in my battered old Toyota pick-up to be with her when she went to Planned Parenthood to terminate her pregnancy. Her choice to get an abortion was a choice that she made with assuredness. She knew that she was doing the right thing for everyone involved. But I can’t say it was easy. She was sad, and I was sad, and it was sad. But to this day, I know that she will tell you that she made the right decision.

    How Do the Kids Feel About This?

    There is no possible way to explain this as the right decision for at least one person in this scenario: the older sibling of the Richters’ other children. Since they’re so open about this to strangers and made this a public issue, I’d imagine they’ve already discussed the abortion with their living children. One wonders whether they explained that if they had made different choices and had different priorities, there would be another child in their family.

    As their living children grow and become adults themselves, maybe this choice will make sense to them. Maybe it won’t. It’s possible they’re distressed to know that had the timing of their conception been different, they could have been the one aborted, because that is a terrible thought.

    When a family loses a member, that family is forever changed. No matter how that loss comes about, it is a loss. The lessons that we learn and the growth that can come from pain and grief might be something to be grateful for, but the opportunity to actively cause that loss should not be. That should be difficult, it should be wrenching, and it should not even need to be an option or an easy decision.

    Many choices in life are not eternal, but abortion is. Once that baby is gone, it is gone, and future children don’t replace the life that was lost. Children are not interchangeable. They’re unique, each one with limitless possibilities and promise, and snuffing out one because of convenience and whims of parents ends those possibilities.

    Richter Hints He’s Uneasy With This Choice

    Richter doesn’t find it difficult to support Planned Parenthood after his personal history with abortion, however, and he wasn’t shy about his feelings about pro-life people: “It’s easy. Planned Parenthood helps a ton of people, and if they don’t agree with that, f— ’em. You can quote me on that. Tell them I said, ‘F— ’em.’”





    People who are at peace and confident in their decisions don’t need to attack others. They can tolerate disagreement without rage. Pro-life people don’t seek to leave families without help and support, they desire the opposite: for all members of a family to be present and able to help. We want for all babies to have the chance to pursue their dreams, not just those lucky enough to be wanted.

    Richter might be a comedian, with a career built around humor and making other people laugh on shows with Conan O’Brien, but abortion is no laughing matter. That sadness he and his wife felt was for a good reason. They were looking at temporary circumstances and making permanent decisions. That baby wouldn’t have ruined their future, but abortion ruined the chance for that child to ever have an opportunity at life. That’s something nobody can be eternally grateful for.
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Sep '16 19:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://thefederalist.com/2016/09/26/andy-richter-eternally-grateful-girlfriend-aborted-child/

    I'm often hard on abortionists, so here is your time to shine.


    Eternal gratefulness for an abortion shouldn’t be something to brag about, but that’s what Andy Richter just did at a Planned Parenthood fundraiser. The actor, who hosted the “Sexy Beast” fundrais ...[text shortened]... hild to ever have an opportunity at life. That’s something nobody can be eternally grateful for.
    (Shrug) Every time someone uses birth control, they are depriving a child the chance of existing.

    The piece is propaganda, nothing more.
  3. 26 Sep '16 20:46
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    (Shrug) Every time someone uses birth control, they are depriving a child the chance of existing.

    The piece is propaganda, nothing more.
    So you would say there is no difference between abortion and contraception?
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    26 Sep '16 21:52
    Originally posted by whodey
    So you would say there is no difference between abortion and contraception?
    No moral difference, no.
  5. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    27 Sep '16 01:56
    Originally posted by whodey
    So you would say there is no difference between abortion and contraception?
    Whether or not to have an abortion is a much tougher call. I don't think the vast majority of women who do find the decision easy.
  6. 27 Sep '16 02:53
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    No moral difference, no.
    For you there is no moral difference between how many weeks in the womb?
  7. 27 Sep '16 02:55
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Whether or not to have an abortion is a much tougher call. I don't think the vast majority of women who do find the decision easy.
    Well this thread is for champions of abortion to share their fabulous stories about how abortion changed their lives for the better.

    Do you know any?
  8. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    27 Sep '16 04:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    For you there is no moral difference between how many weeks in the womb?
    Not until viability as I have explained to you countless times.
  9. Standard member lemon lime
    blah blah blah
    27 Sep '16 05:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Not until viability as I have explained to you countless times.
    Viability?

    Hey, when the kid gets a job and is able to take care of himself then he (or she) has reached the age of viability. Just because you bleeding heart liberals wants to support your snot nosed 1and 2 year olds that don't mean the rest of us have to do what you do. It's my body (it's not your body) and no one has the right to tell me I gots to support any other little bodies that don't contribute to the household or pull their own weight around here, and like that.
  10. 27 Sep '16 12:56
    Originally posted by lemon lime
    Viability?

    Hey, when the kid gets a job and is able to take care of himself then he (or she) has reached the age of viability. Just because you bleeding heart liberals wants to support your snot nosed 1and 2 year olds that don't mean the rest of us have to do what you do. It's my body (it's not your body) and no one has the right to tell me I gots to s ...[text shortened]... dies that don't contribute to the household or pull their own weight around here, and like that.
    We will let Progs determine when life is viable. Can they take care of themselves without government assistance, that sort of thing.
  11. Standard member lemon lime
    blah blah blah
    27 Sep '16 18:23 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    We will let Progs determine when life is viable. Can they take care of themselves without government assistance, that sort of thing.
    Well, I ain't as hard nosed as most other Progs. We was all kids startin' out, so I say we give the little buggers a chance and wait until they is marryin' age.
    Wait until thar bouts 6 or 7 or so, so they has a chance to run away and hide, or defend theyselves... or whatever. I mean, where's the sport in killing game that can't go nowhere under its own power and don't know nothin'? Thats just plain stoopid... who goes out lookin' fer turnips with a shotgun and huntin' dog anyways? Huh?

    Okay, sure, Clem does that pert near ever weekend, but we all know that boy's never bin right in the head.
  12. 27 Sep '16 18:28
    Originally posted by lemon lime
    Well, I ain't as hard nosed as most other Progs. We was all kids startin' out, so I say we give the little buggers a chance and wait until they is marryin' age.
    Wait until thar bouts 6 or 7 or so, so they has a chance to run away and hide, or defend theyselves... or whatever. I mean, where's the sport in killing game that can't go nowhere under its own p ...[text shortened]... , Clem does that pert near ever weekend, but we all know that boy's never bin right in the head.
    Er.....um..........yea.
  13. Standard member lemon lime
    blah blah blah
    27 Sep '16 18:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Well this thread is for champions of abortion to share their fabulous stories about how abortion changed their lives for the better.

    Do you know any?
    huh? better than wat? Okay, so yer life changes from havin' no kids to havin' no kids...

    ( ¿ )

    so whar's the change?
  14. Standard member lemon lime
    blah blah blah
    27 Sep '16 19:22 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Er.....um..........yea.
    pssst

    ( shhhh, we're supposed to be neanderthals... remember? )

    but there are no neanderthals, except for traces of their dna floating around in some (but not all) "populations" of 'peobles'
    ( a neanderthal would say 'races' )

    But seein' as how they ain't no more nanderthals who can respond to charges of bein' a nanderthal, I figger the next best thing for giving voice to those what can't speek fer theyselves is hillbillys*


    *Appalachian Americans
  15. 27 Sep '16 22:08 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by DeepThought to Whodey
    Whether or not to have an abortion is a much tougher call. I don't think the vast majority of women who do find the decision easy.
    'Whether or not to have an abortion is a much tougher call.'
    --DeepThought

    It's a call that men never have to make, though they like to judge how women make it.
    Men here seem to look down on women who have abortions or, at least, the women who
    may be honest enough to choose abortion without pretending it's a terrible tragedy in their cases.

    I would not think worse of a woman who found it 'easy' to decide to have an abortion.
    I would not require her to become an actress putting on a show of 'moral agonizing'.
    Why must she go through that act in order to have a legal medical procedure performed?
    No one else can understand her situation as intimately as she does.

    My point (which I expect to be unpopular in this Western male-dominated forum) is that
    women who have abortions (even many abortions) are not necessarily morally worse
    than women who never have abortions. In the USSR it was common for women to have
    several abortions, and not many men attempted to shame them for having abortions.

    I hope that more American women will become unafraid of telling their 'pro-life' critics:
    "I am going to have an abortion. It's none of your business why I have decided to have it.
    I have the right to choose a legal medical procedure, and I don't have to pretend that
    it must be an unspeakable tragedy. I care as much about human life as you profess to do.
    And I am more qualified than you to consider any moral implications and make the best decision for myself.
    You will not succeed in making me feel ashamed of my choice to have an abortion."

    It's sad that even many 'pro-choice' people seem to accept 'abortion shaming' as appropriate.