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  1. 08 Jul '16 11:38
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxyQtvv_1i8

    good guy with a gun, tells cop he has a gun and a license to carry, gets killed.

    there is no problem with police officers unconsciously (or consciously) treating blacks like criminals. there is no problem with cops (who swore to serve and protect) forcing the girlfriend to get out of the car and handcuffing her before giving any first aid or calling an ambulance for the man they just shot.


    a coward shot a man who did nothing wrong on the very first sign he (the cop) might be in danger. he will now be prosecuted (which is not in the least certain) by a prosecutor from his own state who will most likely again do everything possible to direct a grand jury to vote not to indict him, the police department will again release statements that there is no bias, no problem. Other police officers will continue to behave exactly the same because why wouldn't they? Why would they wait before shooting someone if there won't be any consequences anyway?
  2. 08 Jul '16 11:46
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP0awqth0XI

    another piece.
  3. 08 Jul '16 12:10 / 1 edit
    It certainly seems like the officer made a mistake and will be prosecuted but let's wait until all the facts are in.
    Out of the 400-500 police shootings that occur each year, how many are like this vesus being clear cut cases of justifiable self-defense by the cops?
    Two or three? Maybe even five? And when it happens the cops are indicted.
    Stop acting like the cops are on some kind of out of control rampage and killing innocent people with impunity and none of the shootings were justified.
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    08 Jul '16 12:46
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    It certainly seems like the officer made a mistake and will be prosecuted but let's wait until all the facts are in.
    Out of the 400-500 police shootings that occur each year, how many are like this vesus being clear cut cases of justifiable self-defense by the cops?
    Two or three? Maybe even five? And when it happens the cops are indicted.
    Stop act ...[text shortened]... trol rampage and killing innocent people with impunity and none of the shootings were justified.
    There's a difference between the number of reported incidents and the number of incidents that make national headlines. Had Eric Garner's or Walter Scott's deaths not been caught on video, the pubic may never have been made aware of it.

    It may just be that the only reason there aren't more reported instances like in this video, could be that there wasn't a person with a cell phone able to record it at the time. In fact, there have been videos where cops threatened the person recording with the phone; so even if there were people with cell phones, they may have been to intimidated to record.

    Interesting how righ-wingers never say "wait till the facts are in" when it comes to suspected terrorists who aren't white.
  5. 08 Jul '16 12:48
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    It certainly seems like the officer made a mistake and will be prosecuted but let's wait until all the facts are in.
    Out of the 400-500 police shootings that occur each year, how many are like this vesus being clear cut cases of justifiable self-defense by the cops?
    Two or three? Maybe even five? And when it happens the cops are indicted.
    Stop act ...[text shortened]... trol rampage and killing innocent people with impunity and none of the shootings were justified.
    there are 5 times more unarmed black people killed than unarmed whites.

    "Out of the 400-500 police shootings that occur each year"
    where do you get this number?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States

    there is nobody collecting this data so nobody knows for sure, but just the justifiable homicides are around 400. Some agencies put that number at around 900 or even 1240 when counting nonreporting local agencies.
    this is just for incidents resulting in fatalities.

    you are also not asking the right question? this isn't a matter of how many "ooops i made a mistake" are acceptable vs "he had it coming" . Yes, mistakes happen, but one should be accountable for them. You shouldn't be cleared of any wrongdoing because you feared for your life.



    "Two or three? Maybe even five?"
    there were 2 in the course of 2 days. I would say yearly, that number is much higher.


    "Stop acting like the cops are on some kind of out of control rampage and killing innocent people with impunity and none of the shootings were justified"
    i am not saying that, that's you strawmaning like the weak debater we have come to know and thoroughly dislike.
    I am saying that if a cop kills a civilian he should be investigated at a federal level, not by his friends and if the civilian was not actually threatening his life, he should be put in prison. Right now, a cop just needs to be "afraid for his own safety" to pull the trigger. What kind of an insane rule is that?
  6. 08 Jul '16 12:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    There's a difference between the number of reported incidents and the number of incidents that make national headlines. Had Eric Garner's or Walter Scott's deaths not been caught on video, the pubic may never have been made aware of it.

    It may just be that the only reason there aren't more reported instances like in this video, could be that there wasn' ...[text shortened]... s never say "wait till the facts are in" when it comes to suspected terrorists who aren't white.
    Whenever a black is killed by police it's always made public and followed by demonstrations,etc, whether caught on video or not.
    Remember Michael Brown? Freddie Gray?
    The list is endless.
    And they have to be in fear of their life before they use deadly force, not just their safety.
  7. 08 Jul '16 13:01 / 1 edit
    white people with guns not killed by cops

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daVhasi95c4

    a summary for all you fair minded people who will not click on the video:

    it presents 2 cases of white people being armed, waving their guns around. The first one is talked to for minutes until a cop asks him for his gun and sits down with him. one of them is shot but not mortally after minutes, not seconds. A third tells several cops to piss off.

    Tamir rice was shot in seconds after being confrunted and he was a 12 year old boy with a toy gun.
    Castile was shot in seconds after telling the cop he is licensed to carry and conforming to that cop's demand for his ID.
  8. 08 Jul '16 13:13
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Whenever a black is killed by police it's always made public and followed by demonstrations,etc, whether caught on video or not.
    Remember Michael Brown? Freddie Gray?
    The list is endless.
    And they have to be in fear of their life before they use deadly force, not just their safety.
    remember tamir rice? eric garner? the list is indeed endless.
  9. 08 Jul '16 13:17
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    It certainly seems like the officer made a mistake and will be prosecuted but let's wait until all the facts are in.
    Out of the 400-500 police shootings that occur each year, how many are like this vesus being clear cut cases of justifiable self-defense by the cops?
    Two or three? Maybe even five? And when it happens the cops are indicted.
    Stop act ...[text shortened]... trol rampage and killing innocent people with impunity and none of the shootings were justified.
    But they must politicize it for votes.

    Votes are more important that the lives of police officers.
  10. 08 Jul '16 14:02
    Originally posted by Zahlanzit
    "Two or three? Maybe even five?"
    there were 2 in the course of 2 days. I would say yearly, that number is much higher.
    Two in two days?
    Which two would those be?
    They were both armed. The Baton Rouge killing the man had threatened someone with a gun which resulted in the 911 call. He was a felon with a long criminal history and was carrying a weapon illegally.
    The other one the man reached for his ID when he had a gun on his hip, the cop saw it and freaked out. Sad story for both of them.
  11. 08 Jul '16 14:09
    Many more whites are shot by police than blacks.
    A black guy gets shot, it's covered 24/7 for weeks. Riots and demonstrations ensue. The justice department launches an investigation. Magazine and talk show coverage abounds.
    But when a white guy is shot.....nothing.
  12. 08 Jul '16 14:25
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Many more whites are shot by police than blacks.
    A black guy gets shot, it's covered 24/7 for weeks. Riots and demonstrations ensue. The justice department launches an investigation. Magazine and talk show coverage abounds.
    But when a white guy is shot.....nothing.
    Can anyone say Chicago!!
  13. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    08 Jul '16 14:25
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Many more whites are shot by police than blacks.
    A black guy gets shot, it's covered 24/7 for weeks. Riots and demonstrations ensue. The justice department launches an investigation. Magazine and talk show coverage abounds.
    But when a white guy is shot.....nothing.
    Can you link some examples please?
  14. 08 Jul '16 14:54
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Can you link some examples please?
    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    08 Jul '16 15:49 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    Whenever a black is killed by police it's always made public and followed by demonstrations,etc, whether caught on video or not.
    Remember Michael Brown? Freddie Gray?
    The list is endless.
    And they have to be in fear of their life before they use deadly force, not just their safety.
    True; but how many more instances of police abuse toward blacks would there be if every interaction with blacks and cops were recorded?