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  1. 10 Jan '17 15:18
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/01/08/university-students-demand-philosophers-including-plato-kant/

    University students are demanding that philosophers such as Plato and Kant be removed because they are white, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic parasitic, deplorable, Trump supporters.
  2. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    10 Jan '17 16:19
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/01/08/university-students-demand-philosophers-including-plato-kant/

    University students are demanding that philosophers such as Plato and Kant be removed because they are white, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic parasitic, deplorable, Trump supporters.
    Yup.
    Don't worry, the men in white are coming for you.
  3. 10 Jan '17 17:15
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Yup.
    Don't worry, the men in white are coming for you.
    Do you really think I'm going to let a bunch of xenophobic, bigoted, racist scum lay a hand on me?
  4. 10 Jan '17 17:22
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/01/08/university-students-demand-philosophers-including-plato-kant/

    University students are demanding that philosophers such as Plato and Kant be removed because they are white, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic parasitic, deplorable, Trump supporters.
    According to the article, the students are from the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS). Is it not reasonable for them to want to study Orientals and Africans?
  5. Standard member HandyAndy
    Non sum qualis eram
    10 Jan '17 19:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    Do you really think I'm going to let a bunch of xenophobic, bigoted, racist scum lay a hand on me?
    They use hooks.
  6. 10 Jan '17 21:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by twhitehead to Whodey
    According to the article, the students are from the School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS).
    Is it not reasonable for them to want to study Orientals and Africans?
    Has Whodey ever been noticed in the neighbourhood of 'reasonable'?
    Only racists would argue that Western universities unfairly neglect the study of white men.
  7. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    10 Jan '17 23:48
    https://soasunion.org/education/educationalpriorities/

    Interesting that when you look at the students actual demands at this link above then you will not find the sort of statement that is included in articles from the Telegraph and the Mail, or the Times, sources that are poisonous in these matters and almost certainly have fabricated much of their report, probably including supposed quotes from key figures.

    Specifically the students do not highlight Plato or Kant as their targets. Their target in fact is the school of Oriental and African Studies, as seems perfectly reasonable in the context.

    Readers of Edward Said's classic book on "Orientalism" will be aware that the academic work of the School of Oriental and African Studies was traditionally utterly subordinated to a racist and colonial agenda which is hardly surprising - this institution stands at the very heart of the British Empire for pity's sake and trained up imperial administrators for the onerous but necessary task of oppressing and controlling subject nations from India to West Africa, from Iran to Malaya. At some point, it would seem appropriate for the SOAS to get its head out of its fundament and plan for a post-colonial future.

    While British, American (of course) and many European (notably French) academics continue to feed the imperialist machine, academics in developing nations have developed valuable alternative perspectives, not only confronting the nonsense passing for academic standards in the West, but also offering alternative post-colonial frameworks that permit black and other people in the developing world to recover and build on their self respect, their own traditions and their own values, rejecting white racism and the racist categories that have been used to justify their oppression. SOAS students are demanding to be part of that post-colonial and progressive movement and to be liberated from the traditional role of a boot camp for the empire.

    Of course rags like the Telegraph will seek to mock and belittle their demands. For the Telegraph is still in mourning over the lost empire while the Mail is a frothing promoter of racism and hatred.
  8. 11 Jan '17 15:23
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Has Whodey ever been noticed in the neighbourhood of 'reasonable'?
    Only racists would argue that Western universities unfairly neglect the study of white men.
    So the study of "white men" is based on racism?

    Do you consider the men of Greece "White men"? What about the Italians in the Roman empire? Were they "white men" as well?

    Was Zimmerman a "white man"? He is Hispanic but always referred to as white.

    I wonder why.
  9. 11 Jan '17 23:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    So the study of "white men" is based on racism?

    Do you consider the men of Greece "White men"? What about the Italians in the Roman empire? Were they "white men" as well?

    Was Zimmerman a "white man"? He is Hispanic but always referred to as white.
    I wonder why.
    Can the troll Whodey blame his tireless idiocy on being a white man?
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    11 Jan '17 23:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    So the study of "white men" is based on racism?

    Do you consider the men of Greece "White men"? What about the Italians in the Roman empire? Were they "white men" as well?

    Was Zimmerman a "white man"? He is Hispanic but always referred to as white.

    I wonder why.
    For some reason, right wingers think "Hispanic" is a "race" even though the US Census, for example, says Hispanics can be of any race.

    This is a good summary of the difference:

    The truth is, Zimmerman is both: white and Hispanic, one a racial category and the other a marker of ethnicity, an accusation and an exoneration, respectively, inverted from their usual exculpatory order. Both are social constructions, but the former relies on skin color and ostensibly biological features, while the latter is a designation based on country of origin.

    http://www.salon.com/2013/07/16/is_george_zimmerman_white_or_hispanic/

    The article also has this paragraph which raises an excellent point:

    George Zimmerman, neighborhood watchman and wannabe cop, placed a bet on his whiteness; when he shot and killed a young, unarmed black teenager because they always get away, he spoke with an oppressor’s voice, and for his service the oppressor’s justice absolved him. But Zimmerman, liminal and of questionable loyalty, is not beyond betrayal — if his victim had been blond and named Travis then Fox News would likely be crowing about immigrant intrusiveness, the dangers of Mexicans with guns, rather than celebrating his right to bear arms.
  11. 12 Jan '17 20:27 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder to Whodey
    For some reason, right wingers think "Hispanic" is a "race" even though the US Census, for example, says Hispanics can be of any race.

    This is a good summary of the difference:

    The truth is, Zimmerman is both: white and Hispanic, one a racial category and the other a marker of ethnicity, an accusation and an exoneration, respectively, inv ...[text shortened]... ntrusiveness, the dangers of Mexicans with guns, rather than celebrating his right to bear arms.
    The willfully ignorant Whodey evidently would struggle to accept the notion that Hernan Cortes,
    the Spanish conquistador who conquered much of Mexico, could be Hispanic and white.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    12 Jan '17 20:46 / 3 edits
    The truth is, Zimmerman is both: white and Hispanic


    George Zimmerman is not a criollo. He is not pure blood white Hispanic like Cortez or Martin Sheen aka Ramon Estevez.

    Zimmerman is what would be called a pardo or maybe castizo or some obscure term like albino [octoroon]. He has some African blood and probably some Inca blood as well but is mostly white (half Nordic, about a quarter Latin).
  13. 12 Jan '17 20:51 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung to No1Marauder
    The truth is, Zimmerman is both: white and Hispanic


    George Zimmerman is not a criollo. He is not pure blood white Hispanic like Cortez or Martin Sheen aka Ramon Estevez.

    Zimmerman is what would be called a pardo or maybe castizo. He has some African blood and probably some Inca blood as well but is mostly white (half Nordic, about a quarter Latin)
    Where does this fixation with 'pure blood' come from?

    Tiger Woods is 1/2 East Asian (1/4 Chinese and 1/4 Thai), 1/4 black African,
    1/8 native American ('Indian' ), and 1/8 white European by ancestry.
    His 'mixed' ancestry does not stop the US media from almost always identifying him as
    exclusively African-American (rarely mentioning that he's Asian-American too).
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    12 Jan '17 20:53 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Where does this fixation with 'pure blood' come from?

    Tiger Woods is 1/2 East Asian (1/4 Chinese and 1/4 Thai), 1/4 black African,
    1/8 native American ('Indian' ), and 1/8 white European by ancestry.
    His 'mixed' ancestry does not stop the US media from almost always identifying him as
    exclusively African-American (rarely mentioning that he's Asian-American too).
    Where does this fixation with 'pure blood' come from?


    Imperial Spain.

    The USA has always been very clumsy and sloppy with racial descriptors.

    Tiger Woods is pardo, not negro.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    12 Jan '17 21:02
    Was Zimmerman a "white man"? He is Hispanic but always referred to as white.


    Zimmerman is barely Hispanic - one quarter Hispanic on his mother's side. He's far more Nordic than Hispanic.