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    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.

    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italy’s Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most identified.

    The suspect, 28-year-old Australian Brenton Tarrant, published a 74-page manifesto before killing 49 people and injuring another 20 at the Christchurch mosques.

    Tarrant wrote that Sir Oswald Mosley “is the person from history closest to my own beliefs.”
    Describing himself as a “racist,” Tarrant state’s he’s not a conservative and could be labeled a socialist, “depending on the definition.”
    Mosely, who was photographed with Mussolini on a visit to Italy in 1936, was the leader of the British Union of Fascists in the 1930s after serving as a member of Parliament.
    Already, Democratic leaders, including Sen. Richard Blumenthal of Connecticut, are casting blame on President Trump for the attacks.
    In his manifesto, Tarrant describes his political ideology in a Q&A format. In summary, he says he could be described, “depending on the definition,” as “right wing” as well as “left wing,” and a “socialist

    He asks: “Were/are you a socialist?”

    He responds: “Depending on the definition. Worker ownership of the means of production? It depends on who those workers are, their intents, who currently owns the means of production, their intents and who currently owns the state, and its intents.”
    He says explicitly he is not a conservative, saying “conservatism is corporatism in disguise, I want no part of it.”
    To the question of whether or not he is a Christian, he writes, “That is complicated.”
    Tarrant says he’s “an actual fascist.”
    “I am sure the journalists will love that,” he says, adding he considers himself “an Eco-fascist by nature.”
    Tarrant also declares that the “nation with the closest political and social values to my own is the People’s Republic of China.”
    He poses the question of whether he is or was a “homophobe.”
    “No, I simply do not care all that much what gay people do,” he writes. “As long as they are loyal to their people and place their peoples well being first, then I have no issues.”

    Blumenthal reacted to the massacre on Friday.
    “Words do have consequences, and we know that at the very pinnacle of power in our own country, people are talking about ‘good people on both sides,'” he said.
    Blumenthal was referring to Trump’s reaction to the deadly violence in Charlottesville in August 2017 amid protests and counter-protests over the fate of a Civil War statue.
    Democrats continue to push the narrative that Trump was affirming white supremacists when he said there were “good people” on both sides of the issue. However, Trump was referring to the debate over Civil War statues, and he condemned the white supremacists.
    The White House reacted to leaders who cast blame on Trump for the New Zealand massacre.
    It was “outrageous,” the statement said, to make any connection between the “deranged individual” and the president, “who had repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism, and has made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack.”
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    @whodey said
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.

    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italy’s Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most ident ...[text shortened]... d repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism, and has made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack.”
    Whodey's lying as usual. There's no question that NOW (in contrast to perhaps in the past)
    Brendan Tarrant is an extreme right-wing white racial supremacist.
    Note that Benito Mussolini WAS supposedly a left-wing socialist BEFORE he
    embraced Italian nationalism and became a Fascist politician and dictator.

    The lying troll Whodey has a record of absurdly arguing that Hitler was left-wing, NOT right-wing.
    That shows Whodey's obvious extreme prejudice in attaching the label of 'left-wing'.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @whodey said
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.
    Clearly a very confused individual then.

    There are racists at both ends of the political spectrum (and along every point).
    But those that have looked at his online presence have labelled him "extreme-right"
    why would you want to argue that point?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Clearly a very confused individual then.

    There are racists at both ends of the political spectrum (and along every point).
    But those that have looked at his online presence have labelled him "extreme-right"
    why would you want to argue that point?
    (Wolfgang59 replied to Whodey.)

    "But those that have looked at his online presence have labelled him "extreme-right"
    why would you want to argue that point?"
    --Wolfgang59 (to Whodey)

    A rhetorical question? Obviously, the extreme right-wing American Whodey loves
    everything right-wing and hates everything left-wing, so he's eager to find any
    excuse NOT to blame this mass murder upon anyone who's right-wing.

    I suspect that Whodey would (like Rush Limbaugh) prefer to blame left-wing activists or Muslims
    themselves for making a 'false flag' attack to frame the always innocent virtuous right-wing.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.

    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italy’s Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most ident ...[text shortened]... d repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism, and has made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack.”
    I wouldn't bother to analyze Tarrant's manifesto, if I were you, though a psychiatrist might find it rich soil for a dissertation: no doubt it consists of a farrago of half-understood jingoistic tripe, anger, fake news, distorted pseudo-facts, and anti-logic, cobbled together from dubious Internet sources. He's another Breivik. A loner, but not alone.
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    @moonbus said
    I wouldn't bother to analyze Tarrant's manifesto, if I were you, though a psychiatrist might find it rich soil for a dissertation: no doubt it consists of a farrago of half-understood jingoistic tripe, anger, fake news, distorted pseudo-facts, and anti-logic, cobbled together from dubious Internet sources. He's another Breivik. A loner, but not alone.
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/03/15/after-new-zealand-shooting-far-right-racists-claim-victimhood-hail-killer-hero

    "After New Zealand Shooting, Far-right, Racists Claim Victimhood, Hail Killer as Hero"

    "The responses were typical of the racist right, when a white attacker kills Muslims
    or other people of color: ugly, self-pitying and showing very little regard for the victims."

    Many white people who offer only their 'thoughts and prayers' to the
    non-white victims seem unwilling to challenge this kind of white racial
    supremacy, which glorifies all forms of hateful violence against non-white people.
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    @duchess64 said

    Obviously, the extreme right-wing American Whodey loves
    everything right-wing and hates everything left-wing, so he's eager to find any
    excuse NOT to blame this mass murder upon anyone who's right-wing.
    I agree, but labelling this man as a right-wing racist is not productive.
    He committed this crime because he is a racist.
    That is what must be tackled.

    While we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide.
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    @wolfgang59 said
    I agree, but labelling this man as a right-wing racist is not productive.
    He committed this crime because he is a racist.
    That is what must be tackled.

    While we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide.
    "While we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide."
    --Wolfgang59

    That makes no sense. In reality, about all right-wing racist people find it much
    easier to admit being right-wing than to admit that they are racist.

    Simply never describing anyone as racist or pretending that racism does not exist
    will NOT make racism disappear in reality.
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    Whodey's response to having learned of spreading the kind of propaganda that inspires people like the NZ shooter?

    Spread some more.
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    @duchess64 said
    "While we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide."
    --Wolfgang59

    That makes no sense. In reality, about all right-wing racist people find it much
    easier to admit being right-wing than to admit that they are racist.

    Simply never describing anyone as racist or pretending that racism does not exist
    will NOT make racism disappear in reality.
    You are trying to twist my post a full 180 degrees.
    Why?
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    @whodey said
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.

    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italy’s Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most ident ...[text shortened]... d repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism, and has made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack.”
    Yes, how dare we make a connection between the "deranged individual" who shot up the mosque and the "deranged individual" in the White House.
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    @whodey said
    https://www.wnd.com/2019/03/mosque-killer-im-a-socialist-depending-on-the-definition/

    He self identifies as both left and right.

    The primary suspect in the massacre Friday of 49 people at two mosques in New Zealand named a prominent British fascist leader who was allied with Italy’s Benito Mussolini in the 1930s as the historical political figure with whom he most ident ...[text shortened]... d repeatedly condemned bigotry, racism, and has made it very clear that this is a terrorist attack.”
    You've mentioned many times you feel that perpetrators of these crimes should not be named and their beliefs and reasonings should be kept quiet.

    I guess this doesn't apply to you and your political agenda, right?
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    @wolfgang59 said
    You are trying to twist my post a full 180 degrees.
    Why?
    Wolfgang59 fails to comprehend how misleading (at best) his words were.
    Or Wolfgang59 prefers to be dishonest (again) to cover up his error.

    "While we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide."
    --Wolfgang59

    First of all, I noted Wolfgang59's awkward, odd, or confusing usage of 'while'.

    https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/while

    "1 a: during the time that
    'take a nap while I'm out'
    b: as long as
    'while there's life there's hope'"

    His usage of 'while' apparently referred to definition 1b.

    "[As long as ] we brand right-wingers as racists it gives them (racists) a place to hide."
    --Wolfgang59

    That makes no sense. In reality, about all right-wing racist people find it much
    easier to admit being right-wing than to admit that they are racist.

    Simply never describing anyone as racist or pretending that racism does not exist
    will NOT make racism disappear in reality.
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    @great-king-rat said
    You've mentioned many times you feel that perpetrators of these crimes should not be named and their beliefs and reasonings should be kept quiet.

    I guess this doesn't apply to you and your political agenda, right?
    (Great King Rat replied to Whodey.)

    Of course, Whodey always blames (writing "Mo did it!" ) Islam or, by implication,
    all Muslims whenever any Muslim allegedly commits a violent crime that can be
    at least remotely described as 'terrorism'.

    Whodey wants censorship only when the terrorists are right-wing racist whites (like himself).
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Clearly a very confused individual then.

    There are racists at both ends of the political spectrum (and along every point).
    But those that have looked at his online presence have labelled him "extreme-right"
    why would you want to argue that point?
    Why would you want to swallow that assessment without investigating what that actually means?

    We have all seen the political scale with Fascists on the right and communists on the Left, but that is based upon what again?

    I submit that there is precious little difference between Stalin and Hitler and their regimes. Both were oppressive, violent, war machines that were genocidal.

    Here is what Wiki says that is Left wing

    :Left–right political spectrum - Wikipedia
    Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism', while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism'.[14]



    Are we to believe that Stalin was about such things as freedom or social justice or gave a damn about workers rights? Are we to believe that Stalin was an internationalist or was progressive?

    Yet there they are, Stalin on the left of the scale and Hitler on the right.

    Hitler though was very progressive when it comes to modern day standards of progressive. He heavily taxed the top 4%, he was an ardent advocate of animal rights, and was enthusiastic about environmentalism. He also wanted free everything for the German citizens, assuming they were of the proper race, that is.
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