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Debates 29 Sep '15 02:49
  1. Standard memberDeepThought
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    29 Sep '15 02:491 edit
    According to the BBC [1] the permanent members of the security council are moving towards an understanding regarding intervention against ISIS in Syria. The sticking point is reported to be Assad. The Russians support him and the West support his removal. However the West is starting to regard ISIS and the refugee crisis they've produced as more of a problem than Assad. The US and France are the most hawkish, they'd rather not have Assad. However this drives Putin and Assad together. Assad is in sore need of an ally and Russia is sufficiently powerful to suppress his internal enemies. Assad therefore needs the Russians. Putin regards Syria as within Russia's sphere of influence, as far as he's concerned Assad assures that where other potential leaders are an unknown quantity. They are driven to support one another, with Putin as a by far more senior partner in the relationship.

    Having shown his ability to annexe parts of other countries, Putin has a military that looks like it can seriously alter the course of the conflict in Syria. The West would rather have a regime that was sympathetic to them, in other words not Assad. However if Russia intervenes unilaterally is there that much they can do?

    So, will France and the US be able to reach agreement with the Russians and intervene against ISIS, or will the Great Game and its considerations reign and ISIS be allowed to continue to carry on?

    [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34378889
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    29 Sep '15 09:221 edit
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    According to the BBC [1] the permanent members of the security council are moving towards an understanding regarding intervention against ISIS in Syria. The sticking point is reported to be Assad. The Russians support him and the West support his removal. However the West is starting to regard ISIS and the refugee crisis they've produced as more of a ...[text shortened]... be allowed to continue to carry on?

    [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-34378889
    I sincerely hope the USA stays out of this situation with Syria. After years of war in the middle east on 2 fronts, America does not need another military operation in the middle east, sadly since America's conservative lawmakers are not blessed with the brain power that God gave a goat, a confrontation may very well happen, since conservatives feel the solution to every problem abroad is to send in the marines, kill lot's of innocent people, all so they can whip up some patriotic fervor, and get themselves re elected. 😞
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    29 Sep '15 10:43
    Originally posted by bill718
    I sincerely hope the USA stays out of this situation with Syria. After years of war in the middle east on 2 fronts, America does not need another military operation in the middle east, sadly since America's conservative lawmakers are not blessed with the brain power that God gave a goat, a confrontation may very well happen, since conservatives feel the solu ...[text shortened]... ocent people, all so they can whip up some patriotic fervor, and get themselves re elected. 😞
    The US has been involved in military operations in Syria for quite a while now.
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    29 Sep '15 10:55
    Originally posted by bill718
    I sincerely hope the USA stays out of this situation with Syria. After years of war in the middle east on 2 fronts, America does not need another military operation in the middle east, sadly since America's conservative lawmakers are not blessed with the brain power that God gave a goat, a confrontation may very well happen, since conservatives feel the solu ...[text shortened]... ocent people, all so they can whip up some patriotic fervor, and get themselves re elected. 😞
    The US just made Iran the supreme power in the Middle East.

    Now, just sit back and enjoy the show as they come against Israel.
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    29 Sep '15 11:131 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    The US just made Iran the supreme power in the Middle East.

    Now, just sit back and enjoy the show as they come against Israel.
    Why are you bothered about Israel?
    You don't normally give a F about any other nation.
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    29 Sep '15 12:221 edit
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Why are you bothered about Israel?
    You don't normally give a F about any other nation.
    It's been their rallying cry, to destroy Israel.

    I assumed that's why Obama now backs them
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    29 Sep '15 21:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's been their rallying cry, to destroy Israel.

    I assumed that's why Obama now backs them
    The evidence is that the powers in that region are not remotely interested in tackling Israel and give not a fig for the plight of the Palestinians. For one example, Egypt has been accepting immense sums in American military aid in exchange for a policy of supporting Israel. The Western powers, and particularly Obama's America, also show little serious concern for the Palestinians when it comes to the crunch. Obama did flirt with sanctions against Israel under Netanyahu's expansionist and violent control, but that has already been reversed and the military aid is flowing fast and free, courtesy the American taxpayers who seem totally unable to untangle themselves from Zionist propaganda. Far from feeling under pressure, Netanyahu is unrestrained and in full fascist flow, for example recently approving the use of live rounds against Paletsinian protesters, often children, in the occupied West Bank. ISIS may make anti-Israeli proclamations to entice Palestinian support, though Palestinians are not exclusively Muslim and often are Christian, but in Syrian refugee camps, Palestinians have come under a lot of pressure from ISIS and are not at all on their side - quite the reverse.

    Interesting to ask what contribution the Israeli state is making to the relief of Syrian refugees, given that Palestinian refugees, notably from Gaza, are a significant part of the current migrant crisis as they flee to Europe to excape from Israeli violence and the hopelessness of their continuing deprivation. Germany's generosity to the refugees reflects their continued sorrow over the treatment of Jews in the past; what Israel has learned from that experience seems to be to make sure they are the ones with the power to oppress this time around.
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