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  1. 30 Jan '10 07:54
    Undoubtedly a few of the notorious far-right wingers on here will run to their Republican blogs for canned responses. But for the rest of you I invite you to watch the FULL exchange, unedited and free from partisan punditry.

    The complete footage is available right here on CSPAN.

    http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/29/HP/R/29045/House+Republican+Retreat+with+Pres+Obama.aspx

    President Speaks at GOP Retreat
    Friday


    Pres. Obama today spoke to House Republi-
    cans at their two-day retreat in Baltimore, MD. He repeated his State of the Union address plea for bipartisanship on health care and other economic issues. GOP leaders will comment later, following shortly after a question-and-answer session with the President.
    Baltimore, MD
  2. Standard member epiphinehas
    Luke 12:24
    30 Jan '10 09:34
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Undoubtedly a few of the notorious far-right wingers on here will run to their Republican blogs for canned responses. But for the rest of you I invite you to watch the FULL exchange, unedited and free from partisan punditry.

    The complete footage is available right here on CSPAN.

    http://www.c-span.org/Watch/Media/2010/01/29/HP/R/29045/House+ ...[text shortened]... following shortly after a question-and-answer session with the President.
    Baltimore, MD[/quote]
    Watched it. Loved every minute of it.
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    30 Jan '10 09:56
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Watched it. Loved every minute of it.
    Yes, but in Obama's America Christians cannot speak about their faith at the mall. See: http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=123535 Presumably these 140 RINOs didn't have the intestinal fortitude to raise this. Didn't we hear just recently that Nobama waived laws that could stop the muslims who are thinking about bombing the shopping malls? They kicked Christ out of school and we had Columbine. We separated church from state and we got Obama.

    And it seems Obama used the 'up yours' single finger, for a fourth time, while at that meeting with those Republicans and did even one of the 140 object? And even if he didn't, does it really matter whether he actually does flip a middle finder when he was talking, if that is what he was implicitly saying with his words? Smoking gun here: http://hotairpundit.blogspot.com/2010/01/did-obama-use-middle-finger-again.html

    In Indonesia, the principal of a Muslim boarding school in Tangerang who is accused of impregnating a 15-year-old student says the DNA test will prove that a malevolent genie is the real father. Wasn't Obama's real father-in-law an Indonesian too? Here: http://washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/29/talking-the-talk/ How many of these 140 Statists-in-Lesser-Statists clothing are being payrolled by Jakarta so as NOT to demand the long form?
  4. 30 Jan '10 14:36
    Originally posted by epiphinehas
    Watched it. Loved every minute of it.
    I love this whole concept. The president goes before his critics in Congress and has to face the toughest questions they can think of asking. Every president should hold one of these sessions every three months.

    The president should also have a media-version of one of these sessions where all of the major talkshow hosts and bloggers can offer their questions.
  5. 30 Jan '10 14:43
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    I love this whole concept. The president goes before his critics in Congress and has to face the toughest questions they can think of asking. Every president should hold one of these sessions every three months.

    The president should also have a media-version of one of these sessions where all of the major talkshow hosts and bloggers can offer their questions.
    Fox News apparently felt the frank and open discussion between the President of the US and his Congressional critics wasn't worth televising.

    But don't worry. I'm quite sure they'll show cropped clips with colorful commentary from Hannity, O'Reilly, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, and many other members of their "fair and balanced" pundits.
  6. 30 Jan '10 19:40
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Fox News apparently felt the frank and open discussion between the President of the US and his Congressional critics wasn't worth televising.

    But don't worry. I'm quite sure they'll show cropped clips with colorful commentary from Hannity, O'Reilly, Karl Rove, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, and many other members of their "fair and balanced" pundits.
    I'm curious, as I come from an army family (Pop served in WW2 and Korea and retired) and both brothers served in the US Army, myself being retired military, Navy...how do you come to the conclusion that FOX News is a spin-doctor factory. I consider myself a right-of-center independent. Do you really think Glen Beck spews cow manure? Whenever I listen to him, he seems to be telling ther truth, and I'm no "tea-bagger" nor am I a Republican. Do you think Kieth Olberman is "fair and balanced"? I ask this out of respect to you as a soldier and free speech, but I'm curious how an airborne paratrooper views military-friendly FOX as biased. Thanks, and stay safe.
  7. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    30 Jan '10 20:16
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    I'm curious, as I come from an army family (Pop served in WW2 and Korea and retired) and both brothers served in the US Army, myself being retired military, Navy...how do you come to the conclusion that FOX News is a spin-doctor factory. I consider myself a right-of-center independent. Do you really think Glen Beck spews cow manure? Whenever I liste ...[text shortened]... how an airborne paratrooper views military-friendly FOX as biased. Thanks, and stay safe.
    Perhaps being 'military-friendly' is itself a form of bias. But it doesn't seem in this day and age that there is anyone on either side of the aisle who is military-unfriendly.
  8. 30 Jan '10 20:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    I'm curious, as I come from an army family (Pop served in WW2 and Korea and retired) and both brothers served in the US Army, myself being retired military, Navy...how do you come to the conclusion that FOX News is a spin-doctor factory. I consider myself a right-of-center independent. Do you really think Glen Beck spews cow manure? Whenever I liste how an airborne paratrooper views military-friendly FOX as biased. Thanks, and stay safe.
    I will try to answer each of your questions seperately.

    For starters, Kieth Olbermann is definitely not neutral but he also doesn't prepend to be.

    Does Glen Beck spew cow manure? Absolutely. Everything from countless ridiculous, fabricated claims like when he said the HC bill contains provisions to cover dogs, to all of his hysterical rhetoric about socialism and/or Marxism.

    Yes, I absolutely think Fox News is a right-wing spin factory.

    I don't want news networks to be "military friendly." I want them to report the facts accurately and to always provide full, appropriate context.
  9. 30 Jan '10 20:43
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Perhaps being 'military-friendly' is itself a form of bias. But it doesn't seem in this day and age that there is anyone on either side of the aisle who is military-unfriendly.
    Exactly right on both counts. In fact, the single largest increase in veterans benefits in decades came from the left side of the isle. The new GI Bill.
  10. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    31 Jan '10 02:25
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    I ask this out of respect to you as a soldier and free speech, but I'm curious how an airborne paratrooper views military-friendly FOX as biased.
    What I find interesting is that you infer that USArmyParatrooper finding FOX to be displeasingly biased - and seeing the world in a different way from you - is in some way an issue of free speech, for you, for him or for FOX. Is there a prescribed way that an airborne paratrooper and advocate of free speech should perceive a media outlet like FOX? Somehow, somewhere, in there, I feel there is the making of a threat to free speech in your midset (as evidenced here, albeit hard to put one's finger on). On the other hand, steadfast and proactive support for free speech oozes out of every one of USArmyParatrooper's forum pores week in and week out.
  11. 31 Jan '10 02:43
    Originally posted by FMF
    What I find interesting is that you infer that USArmyParatrooper finding FOX to be displeasingly biased - and seeing the world in a different way from you - is in some way an issue of free speech, for you, for him or for FOX. Is there a prescribed way that an airborne paratrooper and advocate of free speech should perceive a media outlet like FOX? Somehow, somew ...[text shortened]... or free speech oozes out of every one of USArmyParatrooper's forum pores week in and week out.
    wipe your nose fmf
  12. 31 Jan '10 02:43
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    I will try to answer each of your questions seperately.

    For starters, Kieth Olbermann is definitely not neutral but he also doesn't prepend to be.

    Does Glen Beck spew cow manure? Absolutely. Everything from countless ridiculous, fabricated claims like when he said the HC bill contains provisions to cover dogs, to all of his hysterica ...[text shortened]... I want them to report the facts accurately and to always provide full, appropriate context.
    OK, I guess I shouldn't have stated that FOX is military-friendly, because they are neutral as far as I'm concerned. I, too, want unbiased news, but one cannot find it at MSNBC nor CNN, so where does that leave us? Definitely NOT CBS, NBC, or ABC?...BBC? Al-Jazeera?

    Yeah, Glen Beck does project histrionics, but he does have a point when he states that the US, under Obama, is dangerously drifting towards socialism, no?

    So, being in "theater", what news do you and your fellow troopers rely on in order to remain up-to-date with the current events?
  13. 31 Jan '10 02:46
    Originally posted by FMF
    What I find interesting is that you infer that USArmyParatrooper finding FOX to be displeasingly biased - and seeing the world in a different way from you - is in some way an issue of free speech, for you, for him or for FOX. Is there a prescribed way that an airborne paratrooper and advocate of free speech should perceive a media outlet like FOX? Somehow, somew ...[text shortened]... or free speech oozes out of every one of USArmyParatrooper's forum pores week in and week out.
    Whatever dude....you know not what I speaketh, so please make no inferences about my intentions.
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    31 Jan '10 02:52
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    you know not what I speaketh, so please make no inferences about my intentions.
    You wrote what you wrote. Why did you write it if you are not seeking to debate it? Assuming that another serviceman should see FOX the same way as you sounds like the exuberance of an 18 year old sailor rather than the retired grown up serviceman you describe yourself as. Do you think USArmyParatrooper should see eye to eye with you on FOX? (hardly an "inference", considering the words in your post). Set me straight. And explain why.
  15. 31 Jan '10 03:21
    Originally posted by peanutpicker61
    OK, I guess I shouldn't have stated that FOX is military-friendly, because they are neutral as far as I'm concerned. I, too, want unbiased news, but one cannot find it at MSNBC nor CNN, so where does that leave us? Definitely NOT CBS, NBC, or ABC?...BBC? Al-Jazeera?

    Yeah, Glen Beck does project histrionics, but he does have a point when he state ...[text shortened]... you and your fellow troopers rely on in order to remain up-to-date with the current events?
    CNN mostly reports the facts, news and events in a very boring, drab format.

    MSNBC has become very liberal in recent years with their political commentary, i.e. the Olbermann and Maddow shows, and even Chris Matthews has moved to the left. But I find the remainder of their coverage to be fact based and balanced. In fact, I distinctly remember a press conference where Chuck Todd was absolutely hammering Obama's press secretary over the Airforce 1 flyover. But all in all I would score them liberal simply because between Olbermann, Maddow and Matthews there's a lot of airtime spent on the left's point of view.

    Fox News is nothing more to me than a Republican tabloid. There isn't a single segment I can watch that doesn't slant ridiculously to the right.

    ABC and BBC are very dry, fact based reporting just like CNN. I would just argue they're better at it, especially BBC.

    "Yeah, Glen Beck does project histrionics, but he does have a point when he states that the US, under Obama, is dangerously drifting towards socialism, no?

    I would say absolutely without a doubt NO. You obviously have no clue what Socialism actually is. The GOP is going back to their roots from decades ago where around every corner was paranoia that everyone you don't like is a "Communist" or "Communist sympathizer."

    As far as what news we rely on in theater it depends. Mostly we just happen to catch whatever is on in the chow hall or in the gym. Those who care about the news can look up whatever they want on the internet. It depends on the individual.