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  1. 28 Jan '17 20:34 / 1 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/27/trumps-executive-order-officially-gunning-for-muslims

    "Donald Trump's executive order means he is now officially gunning for Muslims."
    --Moustafa Bayoumi

    "Donald Trump is now officially gunning for the Muslims. On Friday, he
    signed an executive order titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign
    Terrorist Entry Into the United States. The order is nothing short of a
    Muslim ban by another name. It is cruel and callous, espouses positions
    contrary to the professed values of the United States, and will certainly
    produce more problems than it purports to solve. In other words, it’s
    exactly like Donald Trump.

    I cannot tell you how livid these scant pages of bureaucratic language
    make me. In them, Trump is returning the country to the dark days of
    excluding masses of people on the basis of our national prejudices. It’s
    as if we’ve reverted to the late 19th century when laws were passed to
    bar Chinese entry to the United States, but this time the action is by
    executive fiat and trained on Muslims. Not incidentally, the case law for
    Chinese Exclusion also established the legal authority for the National
    Security Entry-Exist Registration System (Nseers), the US government’s
    previous incarnation of a Muslim registry."

    "On its face, Trump’s executive order is based on national origin but dig
    a little deeper and it becomes clear that the ban is really about religion.
    One section of the order allows the government to make exceptions to
    its own refugee injunction “when the person is a religious minority in his
    country or nationality facing religious persecution.” What used to qualify
    for refugee status was each individual’s dire humanitarian need to
    escape deadly oppression of any sort. Now, it’s being non-Muslim
    among the Muslims.

    And if you think this executive order doesn’t apply to you because you’re
    not Muslim, you’d be mistaken. The US will soon begin collecting
    biometric data from all travelers on exit (not only on entry, as is currently
    the case), making airport lines even more interminable. The order also
    requires in-person interviews for everyone seeking a non-immigrant
    visa, which will be incredibly time-consuming."
    --Moustafa Bayoumi

    "Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Kommunist.

    Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

    Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
    habe ich nicht protestiert;
    ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

    Als sie die Juden holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Jude.

    Als sie mich holten,
    gab es keinen mehr,
    der protestieren konnte."
    --Martin Niemoeller
  2. 28 Jan '17 21:17
    I certainly hope we take them seriously now. Who knows, maybe next Christmas maybe westerners won't be murdered needlessly.
  3. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    28 Jan '17 22:03
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jan/27/trumps-executive-order-officially-gunning-for-muslims

    "Donald Trump's executive order means he is now officially gunning for Muslims."
    --Moustafa Bayoumi

    "Donald Trump is now officially gunning for the Muslims. On Friday, he
    signed an executive order titled Protecting the Nation from Foreign ...[text shortened]... .

    Als sie mich holten,
    gab es keinen mehr,
    der protestieren konnte."
    --Martin Niemoeller
    Baloney... He is calling it what it is, extreme islamic terrorists. And it just happens to be they are mostly if not all, muslims.
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    28 Jan '17 22:43
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Kommunist.

    Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

    Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
    habe ich nicht protestiert;
    ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

    Als sie die Juden holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war j ...[text shortened]... .

    Als sie mich holten,
    gab es keinen mehr,
    der protestieren konnte."
    --Martin Niemoeller
    Yes.

    This is spot on.

    This is how fascist governments come to power, little step by little step.

    Each step becomes harder to resist, because, after all, we didn't protest the last step and this step is not much more unreasonable, so why protest the next step.

    Here in Amerika, the danger is even more real because one-half of the People are ill-educated and they think they believe in the direction they think they see it going.

    When they finally see what's going on, it will be too late, and President Trumplethinskin with be Führer.



    "Who cares about Liberty and Justice? Aren't they just more complaining women?"
  5. 28 Jan '17 22:52
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Baloney... He is calling it what it is, extreme islamic terrorists. And it just happens to be they are mostly if not all, muslims.
    When did Dylann Roof convert to Islam?
  6. 28 Jan '17 22:56
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    ...
    "Als die Nazis die Kommunisten holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Kommunist.

    Als sie die Sozialdemokraten einsperrten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich war ja kein Sozialdemokrat.

    Als sie die Gewerkschafter holten,
    habe ich nicht protestiert;
    ich war ja kein Gewerkschafter.

    Als sie die Juden holten,
    habe ich geschwiegen;
    ich ...[text shortened]... .

    Als sie mich holten,
    gab es keinen mehr,
    der protestieren konnte."
    --Martin Niemoeller
    Here's an English translation of Martin Niemoeller's statement (which exists in several variants):

    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.

    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.

    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I was not a trade unionist.

    When they came for the Jews,
    I remained silent;
    I wasn't a Jew.

    When they came for me,
    there was no one left to speak out"
    --Martin Niemoeller

    Martin Niemoeller was a conservative Lutheran pastor, who initially supported Hitler before turning against him.
    He survived eight years (1937-45) in concentration camps, narrowly avoiding execution.
    Once a U-boat captain (First World War), he became an outspoken pacifist.
    In the 1960s, many Americans condemned him for opposing the US war in Indochina.
  7. 28 Jan '17 22:58
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yes.

    This is spot on.

    This is how fascist governments come to power, little step by little step.

    Each step becomes harder to resist, because, after all, we didn't protest the last step and this step is not much more unreasonable, so why protest the next step.

    Here in Amerika, the danger is even more real because one-half of the People are ill-ed ...[text shortened]... Führer.



    "Who cares about Liberty and Justice? Aren't they just more complaining women?"
    Just wait til one of those pink pussy lesbo burka wearing muslums pulls the pin next to you. cya.
  8. 28 Jan '17 22:59
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra to Checkbaiter
    When did Dylann Roof convert to Islam?
    My guess is that Checkbaiter likes to regard an American white supremacist man's
    premeditated murder of nine black people in church as 'ordinary crime', not terrorism.
  9. 28 Jan '17 23:02
    Originally posted by kquinn909 to Suzianne
    Just wait til one of those pink pussy lesbo burka wearing muslums pulls the pin next to you. cya.
    Has the Islamophobic troll Kquinn909 ever met or talked with a Muslim woman in real life?

    My neighbours include an immigrant Muslim couple, with whom I have had no problems.
  10. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    28 Jan '17 23:09 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Here's an English translation of Martin Niemoeller's statement (which exists in several variants):

    "When the Nazis came for the communists,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a communist.

    When they locked up the social democrats,
    I remained silent;
    I was not a social democrat.

    When they came for the trade unionists,
    I did not speak out;
    I ...[text shortened]... oken pacifist.
    In the 1960s, many Americans condemned him for opposing the US war in Indochina.
    Yeah, I got that.

    Not all Americans are ignorant trolls.

    Only the ones with the biggest mouths.
  11. 28 Jan '17 23:14
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, I got that.

    Not all Americans are ignorant trolls.

    Only the ones with the biggest mouths.
    Some Americans are just lying white racist feminists.
  12. 28 Jan '17 23:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yeah, I got that.
    Not all Americans are ignorant trolls.
    Only the ones with the biggest mouths.
    First of all, I did *not* assume that my post would be read *only* by Americans.

    I posted an English translation in order to save people who don't read German
    the trouble of plugging the German text into an online translator.
  13. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    28 Jan '17 23:21
    Here is why a ban is needed now...warning ...very graphic content...


    http://heavy.com/news/2015/11/new-isis-islamic-state-news-videos-pictures-russia-threat-threatens-soon-very-soon-the-blood-will-spill-like-an-ocean-domestic-terrorism-attack-moscow-putin-full-uncensored-youtube-video/
  14. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Jan '17 10:49
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Some Americans are just lying white racist feminists.
    You are a surprisingly unpleasant little man with a weak grasp of issues. Very nasty much of the time.

    The hate is certainly given free reign in fascist America.

    https://thinkprogress.org/islamic-center-of-victoria-fire-8a683f632a7a#.idkwyhj6c
  15. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    29 Jan '17 10:52
    Originally posted by kquinn909
    Just wait til one of those pink pussy lesbo burka wearing muslums pulls the pin next to you. cya.
    How does this ignorant and offensive nonsense get accepted in a forum of adults? The standards considered acceptable here are deporable. This is not 'free speech' but unrestrained abuse.