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    15 Apr '16 12:33
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/the-obama-administration-wants-non-citizens-voting-in-federal-elections/

    Should people be required to prove they are citizens in order to vote?
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    15 Apr '16 12:56
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/the-obama-administration-wants-non-citizens-voting-in-federal-elections/

    Should people be required to prove they are citizens in order to vote?
    Absolutely!
  3. Standard membersh76
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    15 Apr '16 13:412 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/the-obama-administration-wants-non-citizens-voting-in-federal-elections/

    Should people be required to prove they are citizens in order to vote?
    http://www.snopes.com/obama-non-citizens-vote/

    Still, in terms of the underlying issue, it's little more than a tactical ploy to gain electoral advantage for Democrats. These aren't issues upon which people make persuasive moral arguments. Those who will benefit support them. Those who won't, don't.

    The West Wing did an excellent bit on this in the episode "Mr. Willis of Ohio" on whether sampling should be used in census calculations. After convincing a Republican Congressman to allow sampling (which will increase minority representation and thus help Democrats), Toby admits that he made the argument out of political expediency rather than real conviction ("I'm not crazy about the precedent... What's next, deciding the presidency based on a poll of 1,150 people +/- 3%?)

    http://www.flasharc.com/bou

    Scene starts about about 21 minutes in.



    I miss The West Wing.
  4. Germany
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    15 Apr '16 13:56
    People should prove their identity when voting, and the government should provide identification documents easily, rapidly and free of charge.
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    15 Apr '16 14:36
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    People should prove their identity when voting, and the government should provide identification documents easily, rapidly and free of charge.
    Why?

    This is a solution in search of a problem.

    The number of cases of in person voter fraud [as opposed to ballot stuffing and other cases of mass fraud]
    are measured in the tens, out of hundreds of millions.

    Requiring ID makes voting slower and much more expensive with no benefits, at all.
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    16 Apr '16 01:33
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why?

    This is a solution in search of a problem.

    The number of cases of in person voter fraud [as opposed to ballot stuffing and other cases of mass fraud]
    are measured in the tens, out of hundreds of millions.

    Requiring ID makes voting slower and much more expensive with no benefits, at all.
    I don't know why such a simple requirement as proving who you are, and if you're eligible, draws such a dramatic reaction, generally from the left.
  7. The Catbird's Seat
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    16 Apr '16 01:34
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    People should prove their identity when voting, and the government should provide identification documents easily, rapidly and free of charge.
    In the US, they do.
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    16 Apr '16 02:19
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I don't know why such a simple requirement as proving who you are, and if you're eligible, draws such a dramatic reaction, generally from the left.
    Yes you do. 😵
  9. Subscriberno1marauder
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    16 Apr '16 05:35
    Originally posted by normbenign
    In the US, they do.
    No they don't; virtually every government ID document has a fee attached to it.
  10. Germany
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    16 Apr '16 07:571 edit
    Originally posted by googlefudge
    Why?

    This is a solution in search of a problem.

    The number of cases of in person voter fraud [as opposed to ballot stuffing and other cases of mass fraud]
    are measured in the tens, out of hundreds of millions.

    Requiring ID makes voting slower and much more expensive with no benefits, at all.
    To boost people's confidence in the voting system.

    Also, issuing an ID to every citizen and registering their place of residence means that it will no longer be needed for citizens to register to vote - you simply send them a letter telling citizens they can vote for elections. This will make voting easier and less costly. There are numerous other benefits to this approach including making tax evasion more difficult.
  11. Standard memberbill718
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    16 Apr '16 09:50
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/the-obama-administration-wants-non-citizens-voting-in-federal-elections/

    Should people be required to prove they are citizens in order to vote?
    Generally speaking, yes. Though I am a Liberal, I must side with those who would require proof of citizenship to vote. Though I would take steps to ensure this process does not place an undue burden on the citizen regarding time and effort spent in this matter.
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    16 Apr '16 10:171 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign
    I don't know why such a simple requirement as proving who you are, and if you're eligible, draws such a dramatic reaction, generally from the left.
    The only reason for the requirement is that it obstructs certain groups of people (who are in fact citizens) from voting. Those who try to enact such measures do so for a reason - and that reason is not a large number of foreigners trying to vote.
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    16 Apr '16 11:22
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://dailycaller.com/2015/05/06/the-obama-administration-wants-non-citizens-voting-in-federal-elections/

    Should people be required to prove they are citizens in order to vote?
    Where?
    Most countries (I think) give voting rights to residents.
    Certainly UK and NZ do.
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    16 Apr '16 11:501 edit
    Originally posted by bill718
    Generally speaking, yes. Though I am a Liberal, I must side with those who would require proof of citizenship to vote. Though I would take steps to ensure this process does not place an undue burden on the citizen regarding time and effort spent in this matter.
    So you hate poor people just like the GOP?

    Of course, since blacks account for a large percentage of poor people then I guess this makes you a racist as well.

    Welcome to the dark side bill where everything you do, think, and say is wrong. 😵
  15. Cape Town
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    16 Apr '16 12:21
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    Where?
    Most countries (I think) give voting rights to residents.
    Certainly UK and NZ do.
    No, only to some residents.

    http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/faq/voting-and-registration/who-is-eligible-to-vote-at-a-uk-general-election

    Interestingly it says nothing about residence. If the Irish all registered to vote in the UK, they could change the course of elections!
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