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    30 Sep '17 13:221 edit
    Why is it that public teacher pay is not consistant.

    Here in Oklahoma, a starting k12 teacher makes about 30k before taxes and insurance for family gets deducted.

    A professor at the University of Oklahoma makes 100k.

    There is no distinction between 1st grade teacher pay and advanced high school mathematics pay, so why should a college professor make more than three times the pay as the person teaching Calculus 1 and 2 as well as college stats to high school kids?
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    30 Sep '17 15:20
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is it that public teacher pay is not consistant.

    Here in Oklahoma, a starting k12 teacher makes about 30k before taxes and insurance for family gets deducted.

    A professor at the University of Oklahoma makes 100k.

    There is no distinction between 1st grade teacher pay and advanced high school mathematics pay, so why should a college professor make ...[text shortened]... es the pay as the person teaching Calculus 1 and 2 as well as college stats to high school kids?
    Colleges & universities are businesses that profit immensely from student debt and unpaid athletes. Public schools are not.
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    30 Sep '17 15:391 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    Colleges & universities are businesses that profit immensely from student debt and unpaid athletes. Public schools are not.
    Public Universities get their money from the same place as public k12 schools.

    The money used to pay professors comes from state funds, unlike football coaches.
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    30 Sep '17 15:41
    A full-time professor requires higher qualifications.
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    30 Sep '17 15:471 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    A full-time professor requires higher qualifications.
    Does a high school teacher have higher qualifications than a kindergarten teacher?
  6. Standard membervivify
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    30 Sep '17 15:50
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Public Universities get their money from the same place as public k12 schools.

    The money used to pay professors comes from state funds, unlike football coaches.
    k-12 students don't pay tuition. Public college students do.
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    30 Sep '17 15:53
    Originally posted by @vivify
    k-12 students don't pay tuition. Public college students do.
    So if you go to college you must pay an extra tax. Why should that tax go to inflating professor pay?
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    30 Sep '17 15:53
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Does a high school teacher have higher qualifications than a kindergarten teacher?
    They should both have at least a master's degree, preferably a PhD for a high school teacher teaching advanced subjects. Of course higher qualification should come with (somewhat) higher pay.
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    30 Sep '17 15:56
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    They should both have at least a master's degree, preferably a PhD for a high school teacher teaching advanced subjects. Of course higher qualification should come with (somewhat) higher pay.
    If the teacher has an acceptable pass rate on testing, why should it matter the degree achieved. There are many bad teachers with PhD's.
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    30 Sep '17 16:09
    Originally posted by @eladar
    If the teacher has an acceptable pass rate on testing, why should it matter the degree achieved. There are many bad teachers with PhD's.
    A PhD does not guarantee that someone is a good educator, but people holding PhD degrees are better teachers, on average, because they are more knowledgeable about the topic at hand.
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    30 Sep '17 16:15
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Why is it that public teacher pay is not consistant.
    Is it because some teachers know how to spell consistent?
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    30 Sep '17 16:16
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    A PhD does not guarantee that someone is a good educator, but people holding PhD degrees are better teachers, on average, because they are more knowledgeable about the topic at hand.
    More knowledgeable on the topic of derivatives and integrals at a calc 1 level?

    Seems to me that people should be paid based on results as opposed to degree.

    An average intelligence person of wealth can get a degree more easily than a more intelligent person from common origin. Why judge people on degree over personal merit?

    In any case, should the same be applied to pay kindergarten teachers less?
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    30 Sep '17 16:171 edit
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Is it because some teachers know how to spell consistent?
    Yeah, my spelling sucks. Having said that, I have seen much worse from otherwise intelligent people.
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    30 Sep '17 16:21
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Yeah, my spelling sucks. Having said that, I have seen much worse from otherwise intelligent people.
    Do what Trump does. Blame it on Obama.
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    30 Sep '17 16:25
    Originally posted by @handyandy
    Do what Trump does. Blame it on Obama.
    Funny, so does Trump simply follow Obama's example of blaming Bush?
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